Li Sanjie said again: " The conditions we put forward to Japan for negotiations were: 1. Recognize the sovereignty of the East China Government over Northeast China, and the behavior of the Japanese Government and its citizens in Northeast China will be guided by the legal system of the East China Government in the future; 2. Pay war reparations, with a predetermined amount of 80 million pounds and a bottom line of 50 million pounds, which is the same as Russia; 3. Japan will open a treaty port, and the East China Government will enjoy most-favored-nation treatment with other countries; 4. Citizens of the East China Government in Japan will enjoy the same treatment as other foreigners, and the Japanese Government will have the obligation to prohibit anti-China movements in China; 5. The East China Government shares economic power with Japan on the Korean Peninsula; 6. It is not allowed to set up threatening military installations against the East China Government within 50 kilometers of the Sino-South Korean border; 7. It shares the fishing rights of Japan's territorial waters and territorial waters; 8. The Japanese warships captured in the war were owned by the East China government. Of these eight conditions, 1, 2, and 8 must be met and are non-negotiable, while 5 and 6 are to be fulfilled as much as possible, and we must ensure our ability to legally carry out activities on the Korean Peninsula, and 3, 4, and 7 must negotiate a comprehensive plan with Japan, and we can make appropriate concessions. In particular, I would like to point out that, according to the information we have learned, serious anti-China and anti-Chinese acts have already occurred in Japan, and a large number of overseas Chinese and students studying abroad have been killed or injured by the Japanese. ”

During Li Sanjie's introduction, the staff had distributed the printed negotiation terms documents to everyone one by one, and Li Sanjie said: "The preliminary draft terms and conditions of the negotiation are like this, and you can put forward any questions or comments." ”

Wang Jun first said: "I have a few questions I would like to mention: First, we only demanded land cession to Russia, but not Japan, and why is this? Second, as everyone knows, Russia is the country that has invaded and occupied the most territory of our country, accumulating about 1.7 million square kilometers, and we only want one Sakhalin Island from Russia, and the bottom line is only half of Sakhalin Island, is it enough, is it too little, I think that even if we do not restore the provisions of the Nebuchu Treaty, we should at least bring back the Ussuri River valley. ”

Li Sanjie said: "First of all, I want to explain that Sakhalin Island, the Ussuri River Valley, including the Trans-Khingan Mountains and other places, can be regarded as China's inherent territory at present, but they have been invaded and occupied by Russia, so our land claim to Russia is to claim back the land, not to let Russia cede the land; China has clearly stipulated that these places belong to Russia, so there is no return of territory, only the three northeastern provinces are the land occupied by Russia, and as far as the facts are concerned, Russia's attitude has a legal basis, even if we say that the [Sino-Russian Aihui Treaty] and the [Sino-Russian Beijing Treaty] are unequal treaties, but the two treaties were signed by the legitimate government of China at that time, so in order to avoid legal entanglement, we use the ' Leave it to the East China government to manage', in short, the land will be in hand first. ”

"The primary goal of our negotiations is to obtain reparations, pay off our foreign debts, and obtain development funds, and the secondary goal is to recover the lost land, after all, there is too much land ceded by the Chunting Empire, and we cannot recover it all at once. We have not only recovered the three northeastern provinces this time, but also recovered Vladivostok and Shuangchengzi, the recovered land has been enough, and the people of the whole country can also be accounted for, after all, we now only have one province in Shandong, at most half of Henan Province, to be honest, our current appetite is limited, the expansion is too large, and it may not be digested, the recovered land needs to be developed, otherwise it can only become our burden, and development needs funds, only their own strength is strong, in order to continue to recover other land. Therefore, the goal we have set in this negotiation is only to recover Sakhalin, and it is enough to recover half of it, mainly because of the strategic value of Sakhalin, and the cooperation between Sakhalin and Vladivostok can pose a threat to northern Japan. ”

"At least why don't you make land claims to Japan, because Japan does not occupy much territory in China, and in fact there is only one Taiwan, which will inevitably be in trouble with us. The terms of the negotiation must not be wishful thinking, but must also take into account the advantages and disadvantages of both parties. Although we do have a military advantage at present, this advantage is not so great that we can take what we want from Japan, at least we do not have much coercion against Japan at present, so it is impossible to increase the weight indefinitely, and on the other hand, if we make a demand for Taiwan on Japan, Japan is very likely to return Taiwan as a transaction, and the reduction or even non-payment of compensation will be made, and this is obviously more than worth the loss for us, so it is better not to mention Taiwan. In short, as long as our own strength is strong, we can continue to recover other lands. At that time, Taiwan, Hong Kong, the Ussuri River basin, including the Outer Khingan Mountains, and even the Tangnu Oradabaha and other places can be recovered. ”

You Mingqian said: "What does it mean to share economic power on the Korean Peninsula with Japan? Aren't we not demanding the Korean Peninsula this time? Otherwise, we will not withdraw the troops that have fought in Korea, and how much economic benefit can the Korean Peninsula have?"

Li Sanjie said: "The goal of this article is not to do that little economic benefit on the Korean Peninsula, but to gain the right to allow our people to operate freely on the Korean Peninsula in the name of doing business." The Korean Peninsula has always been a buffer zone in northeast China, so when we develop and grow, we will certainly include the Korean Peninsula in our sphere of influence, so from now on, we should also make preparations for this, and after we have gained economic power on the Korean Peninsula, we can do business, invest, and set up factories on the Korean Peninsula, and we can go deep into the Korean Peninsula to collect intelligence and support and buy agents, and it will be much easier to compete with Japan for the Korean Peninsula in the future. ”

Lu Hong said: "Why only limit the size of Russia's navy in the Far East and not Japan's navy? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to us to limit the size of Japan's navy?" ”

Li Sanjie said: " This is divided into two aspects, the first is that we occupy Vladivostok, Russia will lose its ports in the Far East, and if the navy wants to find a port to station, it can only go to Temple Street, that is, Nikolaevsk in the old time and space, but the location of Temple Street is too far north, and it is not an ideal naval port, so it is impossible for Russia's navy in the Far East to maintain the same scale as before, and in addition, we only limit the size of Russia's navy in the Far East, but we do not restrict Russia from developing its navy, and Russia can develop its navy in Europe and wait until the time is in the Far EastWhen the conditions are ripe, they can be sent to the Far East, and then this condition is completely within the acceptable range of Russia, and it is only necessary to discuss with us the details of how large the navy is. And if we demand that Japan's naval development be restricted, this is tantamount to completely interrupting Japan's hope of re-emerging in the future, and this is a condition that Japan absolutely cannot accept, then Japan can only fight to the death with us. To put it bluntly, it is still the same sentence that 'the terms of the negotiation cannot be wishful thinking, but must also consider the advantages and disadvantages of both parties, the bargaining chips and the ability of the other party to bear', if it exceeds the other party's ability to bear, it is impossible to succeed. ”

Ye Yanfu said: "How is the amount of compensation formulated, if according to the bottom line we set, the total amount of compensation from Japan and Russia is 100 million pounds, and the current foreign debt we have borrowed has reached 60 million pounds, and the bonds issued in Shandong and Shanghai have reached a total of about 70 million silver dollars, plus interest, a total of 75 million to 80 million pounds, that is to say, the amount we finally received is only more than 20 million pounds, is it too little." I think it should be £50 million. ”

Li Sanjie said: "20 million pounds is actually not a small amount, converted into silver dollars is about 180 million, more than our financial income of one and a half years, in addition, according to the situation we have, although we have a lot of loans, but now it has not been completely used up, there are about 3,000 silver dollars left, and this has not counted our own funds and this year's financial income, so the net income of 20 million pounds is acceptable." And 100 million pounds is only our bottom line, we will try our best to achieve a high figure, to reach the figure of 50 million pounds you asked for is not impossible, in addition, we set this number, but also with a comprehensive reference to many factors, not only within the range that Japan and Russia can afford, but also to ensure that if Japan and Russia do not accept this condition, then they will suffer losses that are definitely greater than the amount of compensation we are asking for. ”

Jia Zhenzhao said: "Has the Foreign Affairs Committee considered whether we have a plan to deal with Japan and Russia if they take a tough stance and refuse to accept our conditions, thus breaking down the negotiations? ”

Qin Zheng took over the conversation and said: "Of course there is, once the negotiations break down, we will immediately launch a new war, although we do not have an overwhelming advantage over Japan and Russia at present, but our military advantage is still quite large, if the negotiations break down, what we can do militarily to Russia is to attack Shenyang, annihilate the 300,000 Russian troops there, and then send troops to attack Manchuria, completely drive the Russian army out of the northeast, and can also send troops to capture Sakhalin Island, The Ussuri River valley and other places, all the way to Temple Street, so that Russia completely lost the ports in the Far East, the Russian army in these areas is quite thin, basically there will be no major trouble, although our original intention is not to immediately take back these places, so as not to indigestion, but if Russia refuses to accept our conditions, then we grit our teeth and hold on to bite another piece of meat on Russia. In addition to continuing to bombard Japan's coastal cities, we can also consider capturing several Japanese islands, such as Tsushima Island, or even landing on the Japanese mainland. ”