Wang Yunpeng said: "In terms of civil affairs, first of all, it is necessary to establish a sound local administrative system in the northeast region, and now the possibility of war in the northeast region is basically in the border areas, and most places have at least restored peace, so it is not appropriate to be under military management, except for the war zones where there are still troops stationed, such as Vladivostok, Lushun, and Harbin, which can be postponed, and other places should be transferred from military management to civilian management." ”

Xiao Jianjun frowned and said, "Isn't it too early to hand over the Northeast to the civil administration now." Moreover, once the northeast is transferred to private management, it must be divided into at least three independent administrative regions, although the war is basically in the border areas, but the logistics supply, material allocation, and labor collection most of them must be digested by the northeast region, although it is said that most of the materials are supplied by Shandong, but the transportation arrangements along the way need to be arranged by the northeast region, even if the various administrative regions cooperate with each other, it is better to have a unified command. In addition, the bandit problem in the northeast is still very serious, so should it be further delayed? ”

Qin Zheng said: "After all, local military management is not a long-term solution, and it is also the general trend to transfer it to civil affairs, but Lao Xiao's worries are not unreasonable, I suggest that a temporary organization can be set up at present, and the entire Northeast region can be managed as a whole, on the one hand, establish a sound local administrative management system in the Northeast region, on the other hand, fully cooperate with the military to fight, and take into account the affairs of suppressing bandits in the Northeast." After the war ended, this institution was abolished and reverted to provincial governance. ”

Xiao Jianjun said: "What does Lao Qin mean to set up a minister of Qincha?"

Qin Zheng nodded and said, "It's almost the same meaning, of course we can't use the name of the minister, we should change the name." ”

Xia Bohai said: "Okay, this plan is feasible, and the details will be discussed in the next step." ”

As a matter of fact, everyone knows that the transformation of the northeast into private administration is not just a matter of practice, but involves the delicate relationship between the central and local governments, and between the civil administration and the military. Although it has been five years since the establishment of the East China government, most of the time it has actually governed only Shandong Province, and although there are still two enclaves, Tianjin and Shanghai New Area, the size of these two enclaves is too small, and the dependence on Shandong is too strong, so there is no need to worry. Later, although the river and lake base areas were opened up, the river and lake base areas were connected to the Shandong territory, not to mention that the industrial base of the river and lake base areas was too poor, and all the weapons and ammunition were supplied by Shandong, which was also under the control of the Executive Yuan.

However, the northeast region is different, first of all, it is not connected to Shandong, it has a vast territory and rich resources, and Russia has opened some factories in Lushun, Harbin, Shenyang, Vladivostok, and other places, which can produce some weapon accessories and bombs, and has a certain self-replenishment ability. At present, four armies of the People's Army are in the northeast region, accounting for two-thirds of the total number of the army, so the civil affairs in the northeast region have been controlled by the army for a long time, which is naturally not a good thing.

However, the war has not yet ended, and the northeast region is an important logistics base for the KPA, and it is obviously not conducive to the war to be transferred to the civilian administration in its entirety, so it is the best choice to set up a temporary organization to carry out unified management of the northeast region and to link up the relationship between the localities and the army; first, it can ensure the efficiency of supplying the army; second, although this is only a temporary post, because it can govern the three provinces, only officials at the ministerial and commission level are qualified to take up the post, and in this way, when this post is abolished after the war is over, they will not regret it, and this will completely put an end to the situation in which local forces are in a big position。

The participants have all been in office for four or five years, and after so many years of experience, coupled with China's rich political experience, it is enough to train them to become qualified politicians, so they also see this issue very clearly.

Xia Bohai said: "Is there anything else?"

Wang Yunpeng said: "There is also the development plan for the northeast region. ”

Xia Bohai said: "The issue of the development of the Northeast can be postponed for a while, after all, the development of the Northeast is not something that can be completed in a short time, it will take at least 10 years, or even longer, and now is not the time, so there is no need to rush for a while." ”

Wang Yunpeng said: "The discussion on the development of Northeast China can be slowed down, but there is one thing that should be determined as soon as possible, which is related to whether the development of Northeast China can be carried out smoothly. ”

Xia Bohai said: "Oh! What is it?"

Wang Yunpeng said: "The population of the Northeast is insufficient, and it is recommended to determine the immigration plan of the Northeast as soon as possible, otherwise the development of the Northeast will definitely be affected. ”

Zhang Yuming said: "Is the population in the Northeast insufficient?"

Wang Yunpeng nodded and said: "Although we have not conducted a census in the Northeast, according to the data of this era, the population in the Northeast is about 15 million, even if there is a hidden population, it will not exceed 20 million, and according to the census of Shandong Province that we completed the year before last, the population of Shandong Province is now 34.2 million, but the area of Shandong Province is less than 160,000 square kilometers, and now the Northeast region we occupy is about 1.2 million square kilometers." In addition, the population distribution in Northeast China is also very uneven, the area of Liaoning Province is only about the same as Shandong, accounting for only about 13% of the total area of the Northeast region we occupy, but the population has reached more than 10 million, accounting for about 2/3 of the total population of Northeast China, while the area of Heilongjiang Province accounts for about 6 percent of the total area, and the population is only about 1.4 million, less than 1/ 10. Therefore, in order to fully develop the Northeast region, it is necessary to formulate a detailed resettlement plan, and I think that in the next 20 years, at least 15 million to 20 million people will be immigrated to the Northeast, and a large number of immigrants will be sent to Heilongjiang to ensure the development speed of the Northeast. ”

Ye Yanfu said: "Is the population of the Northeast so small? I remember that during Lao Zhang's reign in the Northeast in the old time and space, the population was 30 million, and Lao Zhang became the king of the Northeast, that is, around 1920, in just a dozen years, the population of the Northeast could be doubled?"

Qin Zheng said: "The population increase in the Northeast mainly depends on immigration, that is, the famous 'Guandong' in the history of the old time and space, which is actually a large number of immigrants to the Northeast, but this kind of immigration is not an official organization, but spontaneous by the people, and the official will occasionally do some guidance and resettlement work, but most of the time is left alone, and the time has continued for nearly a hundred years, and now it is the unexpired period of 'Breaking Guandong', and it is also the peak period, and the increase in the population of the Northeast is mainly in the 20 years before and after." ”

You Mingqian said: "That's not very good, we come forward to organize immigration, not only is it more efficient, but also the time is shorter, and the population of immigrants will be larger." ”

Qin Zheng said: "It's not so easy, first of all, the immigrants to the Northeast, mainly Hebei, Henan, Shandong, which is Shandong, accounting for more than 4 percent of the immigrants in the Northeast, and the farmers who immigrated to the Northeast have no land in the local area, and basically can't survive, so they have to immigrate to the Northeast, because there are many ownerless lands in the Northeast, and they can seek a glimmer of life, but now Shandong and Henan have been occupied by us, and Hebei has also occupied a part, and after land reform, Shandong, The peasants in Henan can basically guarantee their own survival, and naturally there is no incentive to emigrate, unless we force it, but this is obviously not implementable. ”

You Mingqian said: "In this way, in the future, the number of immigrants to the Northeast will gradually decrease. ”

Qin Zheng smiled bitterly and said, "I'm afraid that's it." If we now unify the whole country, or occupy most of the region, we can immigrate to the Northeast by administrative means, by encouragement, or by garrisoning, but at present, it is impossible to migrate to the Northeast on a large scale. ”

You Mingqian said: "Then it's troublesome." ”

Wang Yunpeng also nodded and said, "It's really troublesome." ”

Xia Bohai said: "The matter of immigration can only be put aside for a while, but I have a way to temporarily alleviate the population problem in the Northeast." He turned to Xiao Jianjun and said, "Old Xiao, how many prisoners have we captured now." ”

Xiao Jianjun said: "There are about 380,000 Russian prisoners, and there are two kinds of Japanese prisoners, about 120,000 soldiers, and about 150,000 logistics workers, totaling about 270,000, totaling about 650,000. ”

Wang Yunpeng said: "What, Lao Xia plans to send these captives to the Northeast to develop the Northeast?"

Xia Bohai said: "Why not? How much consumption is needed to raise 650,000 captives, and we can't raise so many captives in vain, we must let them do something and create a little value, and so many captives, it is difficult to ensure that nothing happens in this way, it is better to send them to the northeast to work in the wasteland and consume their energy." Moreover, these captives were all young and middle-aged, and they were all good laborers. ”

Wang Yunpeng thought about it for a while, and felt that this arrangement was not bad, in fact, these 650,000 captives were indeed a headache for Wang Yunpeng, although he arranged for some prisoners to open mines, but only arranged thousands of people, after all, there were not so many people needed to open mines, and Shandong's large-scale infrastructure construction was basically stopped, so so so there were not so many prisoners arranged at all. According to Xia Bohai's suggestion, it is a good way, now the Northeast region does need a lot of labor, and 650,000 captives are counted in the immigration, it does not seem to be much, but this batch of captives are excellent labor, if it is divided into a population can be equivalent to at least 2 million people, after all, it is a population, there are old people, young children, women, these people can not be regarded as labor, even young and middle-aged men can not be compared with soldiers, this is not a few.

Moreover, there are many advantages to using prisoners, the prisoners can be arranged by the East China government, and if you want to arrange them there, the East China government has the final say on everything you do, and you don't have to consider the opinions of the prisoners; there is also that the prisoners do not need to be paid for their work, as long as they are fed, and so on, so this is indeed a good way.