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Zhang Zichen and Ding Xinghua are both military personnel who have changed careers to politics, and they have also spent a lot of energy studying China's historical social economy in the old time and space during this time, and they are absolute supporters of the public ownership of land, but because they are military personnel and speak relatively straightforwardly, they inevitably have some gunpowder flavor in their speeches. Vertices are updated the fastest

And Gu Ruipeng couldn't help but get a little angry when he heard this, and said: "According to this statement, then what do you need to do with the law, as long as it is not in line with our interests, we will directly solve it by violence, and kill all the people who oppose it, and the rest of the people will only shout that longevity is the best situation." ”

Seeing that the more the two sides talked, the more choked they became, Xia Bohai hurriedly set up a table, interrupted their argument, and said: "I hope everyone calms down, the discussion at the executive committee meeting is on the facts, not against individuals, let alone into a battle of will." ”

Qin Zheng also said: "Yes, I hope you will also pay attention to your own wording when speaking, and at the same time, don't interpret too much into other people's speeches, only about things, not people." ”

After finishing speaking, Zhang Zichen, Ding Xinghua, and Gu Ruipeng were not good at speaking again, and the venue was a little cold for a while.

At this time, Zeng Dong, the minister of the Ministry of Agriculture, said: "Let me give me some personal opinions, I admit that there must be some good people among the landlords, and to be honest, in ancient China, many local public businesses that built bridges and roads were paid for by the landlords and squires. Some landlords are not an exaggeration to say that they are great good people. However, as a class, the landlord represents the old-style land system, is a backward class that imprisons circulating capital, resists the process of industrialization, and runs counter to historical development; and is a backward class that occupies real estate property rights, narrows the circulation of real estate capital, and hinders the development of productive forces; therefore, both good and bad landlords are an obstacle to our industrialization, and at the same time, they are also an obstacle to China's prosperity and strength. ”

Li Songchen also spoke: "I also have a few opinions, I hope you will seriously consider it, we want to seize the ruling power of China, but it is not enough to rely on our own strength, we only have more than 6,000 people in total, how many things can we do, we must rely on a local social group, and what strata can we rely on, the ruling group? This is the object of our overthrow; the landlord group? The national bourgeois clique and the working class clique are still very weak, and since they are the national bourgeois clique, they are basically compradors, which are almost negligible; therefore, the only thing we can rely on now is the peasant clique, and the problem arises, if we want to win the support of the peasant clique, we can only use the system of public ownership of land and distribute land to the peasants, and it can be said that this is our only choice. ”

After listening to their speeches, the others also fell into thought, Zeng Dong is the current Minister of Agriculture, and Li Songchen is the former Minister of Agriculture, the two of them know the most about rural affairs, and they have also studied the history, politics and economy of the old time and space, so their speeches are very convincing, even if someone disagrees with their views, but they can't find a reasonable reason to refute them for a while.

After a while, Gu Ruipeng spoke again: "As I just said, I am not opposed to the implementation of public ownership of land, and I also agree that the law does serve the ruling class, but at least fairness must be guaranteed, even if it is only fair on the surface." If we use strong means to confiscate the landlords' land, it is indeed easy and simple, but it is debatable whether the cost is the lowest; first, it is easy to lead to the spread of state violence, and the use of administrative orders to replace the law, such a simple and crude method has great troubles, and this has also been proved in the old time and space; second, it is easy to push some enlightened landlords, gentry, and even officials of the Qing court, and the national bourgeoisie to our opposite, which will make the Qing court grasp our sore feet, and we have built up with great difficulty. The image of civilization and advancement cannot be said to be destroyed in one fell swoop, but it will certainly be greatly affected. ”

After Gu Ruipeng finished speaking, the venue was silent again. Although Zhang Zichen and Ding Xinghua disagree with Gu Ruipeng's opinion, it is really difficult to refute the sentence "using administrative orders to replace the law, such a simple and crude method will cause great trouble", because both of them are from modern society, and their understanding of legal consciousness is indeed much deeper than that of people in this era.

At this time, Li Songchen said: "I have a suggestion, although it will increase our workload, but I think it is necessary, that is, those landlords who have done more evil and have greater poverty, such as Wangjiazhai, will be directly destroyed, all land and family property will be confiscated, and even the culprit will be executed, while some landlords who have a good reputation in the local area, exploit the peasants lightly, and have done some good deeds in the township, can be appropriately compensated, and only confiscate the land, and still let them keep their family property." ”

Minister of Finance Jia Zhenzhao frowned and said, "Isn't this just a disguised redemption of land?"

Li Songchen shook his head and said, " Of course, it is not the redemption of land, the compensation I am talking about is not necessarily monetary compensation, it can also be other aspects, such as rent reduction and exemption, military service reduction and exemption, and according to our understanding, in this era the landlords with a good reputation are only a very small number of people, so our expenses will not be too large, with our current financial resources, it is completely affordable; and there are quite a few landlords like Wangjiazhai who do evil in the locality, and there are some landlords who do not do more evil like Wangjiazhai and the people have great grievances, but they have also done some bad things, but the degree is different, and this requires us to carry out careful and detailed investigation, and give different punishments according to the different degrees of evil。 Therefore, I propose that a similar anti-insurgency body could be set up to deal with these matters, as in the case of the ad hoc arbitration tribunal that we have established, led by the Ministry of Justice and assisted by the Ministry of Agriculture. ”

Xia Bohai, Qin Zheng and the others exchanged glances with each other, and they all understood what Li Songchen meant. To put it bluntly, the compulsory confiscation of the landlord's land is just to find a legitimate reason, so that it can be said that it is done in accordance with the law, and it is reasonable at the legal level. In fact, every traverser knows that the landlord class is definitely more bad and less good, so there is no need to even find stubble, and it is completely possible to confiscate the landlord's land for legal reasons.

Of course, in fact, such a practice is of limited moral help to the crossing group, after all, in this era, the landlord occupies the land is a matter of course, although everyone knows that many large landowners are a tyrant in the locality, doing evil, doing many evils, but this is the default rule of the whole society, so in the eyes of the gentry, businessmen, and Qing court officials in this era, the crossing group is confiscating the landlord's land on a large scale, so that it will not care whether it is legal or illegal, but within the crossing group, it is to act according to law. Respect for the law is a manifestation of mental acceptance, and in a social sense, the use of legal means rather than administrative power orders, government violence, is indeed a sign of progress.

Xia Bohai said: "This is a good idea, but once it is carried out, the workload is quite large, and now the Ministry of Justice is working on our [Interim Covenant] and other legal provisions, as well as the work of the Interim Arbitration Court, can they be busy?"

Gu Ruipeng hurriedly said: "If you are busy, you will definitely be busy, and it will definitely not affect other work." ”

As Gu Ruipeng said, he opposes the public ownership of land at all, but opposes the use of administrative power to order the means instead of solving the land issue from the legal level. Li Songchen's suggestion is exactly what he wants, if he can win the power to try the landlord, it will undoubtedly greatly expand the power of the Ministry of Justice, although the Ministry of Justice has set up an ad hoc arbitration tribunal, but there are only more than 6,000 people in total, how many people can commit crimes, so up to now, the ad hoc arbitration court has received 10 cases, and the result is that the ad hoc arbitration court has almost become an empty shell, and now the main work of the Ministry of Justice is to compile various legal provisions of the cross group.

These works are not unimportant, but there is almost no influence in the crossing group, and now the Ministry of Justice's sense of existence is all relying on an empty shell ad hoc arbitration tribunal, and watching other marginal departments are gradually getting rid of the marginal status, the Ministry of Justice also has a serious sense of crisis, and this time if it can win the power to try the landlord, it is of course very important to the Ministry of Justice. Therefore, no matter how difficult it is, the Ministry of Justice must also take this task forward.

Xia Bohai nodded and said, "Then this task will be handed over to the Ministry of Justice, and I hope that the Ministry of Justice will come up with a draft of the relevant law and a plan to complete this task as soon as possible." It is possible to negotiate and cooperate with the Ministry of Agriculture, but the work of the [Provisional Covenant] cannot be stopped and must be completed on time. ”

Gu Ruipeng said: "Okay, after the meeting, I will arrange it immediately, and I will complete the task on time." ”

Xia Bohai said again: "Do you still have anyone to speak?"

At this time, An Xiangui, Minister of Resources, said: " I have one thing to say, I am not opposed to the public ownership of land, nor is it opposed to the confiscation of landlords' land, but I think that the distribution of all land to the peasants is debatable, first, the distribution of all land to the peasants, the result is still individual production based on the family unit, the small peasant economy, in a short period of time can indeed increase the enthusiasm of the peasants, can also reduce the burden of the peasants, but can not improve the efficiency of agricultural production, so that the peasants' ability to resist risks has not been improved much, once encountered a natural disaster, the peasants are likely to go bankrupt, so I think we should promote the use of farm management, collective land division and cultivation, so as to improve agricultural production efficiencyAt the same time, this is also the trend of agricultural development, and it can also liberate some peasants from the land and transform them into industrial workers. ”

Lu Hong, Minister of Industry, immediately said: "Yes, yes, yes, I was just about to talk about this issue, and now we have determined the construction plans of several industrial projects, such as Qingdao shipyard, power plant, Locomotive factories, these factories need a large number of workers, and coupled with the development of infrastructure and other industries, in the next 3-5 years, the number of industrial workers we need is about 10-150,000, and we only have about 18,000 workers, this is still plus the battle of Shanhaiguan, the rescued Russian army captured the Northeast labor, and after the war, there will definitely be a considerable number of people will return to the Northeast, if we divide the confiscated land to the peasants, everyone goes to farm, then what about the labor gap needed for industrial development？”

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