1035 Is Saudi Arabia's Navy Uncle Really an Army?
"Actually, I'm not in such a hurry now, we can wait. Anyway, it's not up to anyone to get the project out at what point. 053H3 is exported, we have already taken the money, and we really have to think about the improvement. At the very least, customer requirements must be met. What's more, the more technology is improved, the higher the price, isn't it?"
Xie Kai still hopes that 701 will help them get 053H3 out according to Saudi Arabia's requirements.
On a 2,000-ton warship, more than 150 people are needed to operate, which is really a lot.
Although, relatively speaking, not so much.
But compared with the 054A that will appear more than ten years later, it is a bit much.
The crew of the 054A missile frigate with a full load displacement of 4,200 tons is only 180 people.
"Are you sure you are serious? Even if you cooperate, you must explain how to cooperate, and it is impossible to continue to borrow people!" Pan Jingfu, the big dealer, disagreed.
Too many people were poached, and he was the most miserable.
Many places need people, various technologies need to be digested, and newcomers need experienced people to carry out project research and development.
Some of the projects studied by the people borrowed from Hudong Shipyard have little to do with the 052 project, although it can be used universally, but if you want to use it, you have to improve it, right?
Not all technologies can be directly applied to warships.
"Without borrowing people, you can subcontract the project to some relevant teams of 701, which is market-oriented, so that there is no problem for everyone to cooperate. Xie Kai said.
For such an offer, the people of 701 naturally did not refuse.
As long as you don't dig people, it's easy to say anything.
"What do you think?" Zheng Yucheng was a little dissatisfied with Xie Kai's attitude.
Xie Kai looked at Zheng Yucheng, "Uncle Zheng, it's not very peaceful in the small pond in the south, now the most important thing we should do is to pull 053 over there to wander around, if it shows very good combat performance, maybe there will be more orders." ”
Before the order, it was an accident.
Saudi Arabia's four orders can be said to have been obtained by accident.
Who would have thought that a small country like Bahrain would be able to procure two frigates?
If it weren't for the pressure from Qatar, would they?
"You mean to seek more 053 orders?" Qi Zhiyuan asked.
"If we really want to build a 4,000-ton frigate, Mr. Wang, with our current technical capabilities and experience, how much time will it take to complete it?" Xie Kai asked Wang Hengyuan directly.
Wang Hengyuan was a little embarrassed to answer.
It is absolutely impossible in the short term.
It's not that they don't work hard, it's that there are too many places that need to be broken through, and everything needs to be studied.
You can't just use some of the techniques of 051 and 052, right?
Warships with different positioning have different emphases.
"So, what we need to do now is to take advantage of the order and keep upgrading the 053, improving the technology and gaining experience at the same time. At the same time, it is necessary to cultivate our own technical team, and always think of poaching people from other units. As soon as Xie Kai said, Zheng Yucheng and they all understood.
It is not agreed to directly launch the technical project of a 4000-ton frigate now.
As a goal, there is no problem in slowly developing research in this direction.
But for everyone, starting the project now, not only will the personnel not be able to keep up, but even the capital consumption will be very large.
"Get the maximum result with the least amount of money, the Navy can afford to wait. Xie Kai said.
In the small pond on the other side of the South China Sea, although there is not much propaganda and tensions, not much attention has been paid to the country, even after the outbreak of the war.
But internationally, there are a lot of people who pay attention to the situation over there.
The small pond in the South China Sea was a shipping route for merchant ships in East Asia.
"The situation over there is tense, and the ship in our hands is leased to the Saudi Navy to help them train the naval team!" Qi Zhiyuan was a little worried.
The Saudi Navy does not have much experience.
That's why they brought this warship back because the Vietnamese warships kept appearing over there.
I am afraid that when the time comes, the Saudi Navy officer will make a mistake and fire a few shells or miss a missile, and then it will be in trouble.
"Because of this, they should be allowed to go. What the Saudis need is for us to help train them how their navy can start from scratch, how to be combat-ready, how to conduct maritime operations during combat readiness and so on. Such an environment can allow their naval officers and men to have more experience. In line with the principle of being responsible for customers, Xie Kai said seriously.
In the Middle East, although there are not many wars in peacetime, the purpose of Saudi Arabia's purchase of warships is to be a police officer in the Gulf region, and Bahrain has two frigates of the same class.
Zheng Yucheng and others didn't have much opinion on this matter.
Being able to sell more frigates is a good thing for the entire Hudong shipyard.
If there are orders, more funds will continue to be invested in technology improvement research and development.
That afternoon, even if no agreement was reached with the people of 701, Xie Kai and Zheng Yucheng left.
They returned to the Shanghai market again.
Saudi military representatives and trainees are at the naval training base here.
Yevraro, the military representative of the Saudi Navy in China, is responsible for coordinating with the Chinese side their demand for warships, supervising the production progress and quality of China's warships, and also negotiating with the Chinese side on various matters related to the naval officers and soldiers selected by the Saudi Arabia.
"Lieutenant Colonel Yevraro, I am very glad to see you, please greet King Fahd and Prince Sultan on my behalf......" Xie Kai is not very familiar with this representative of the Saudi delegation.
I've only seen it once before.
On that occasion, the Saudi side urged the Chinese side to go to the waters around Saudi Arabia to help their officers and men familiarize themselves with and train them.
"Thank you, it's a pleasure to meet you. Yesterday I had a phone call with His Royal Highness the Prince, and the Prince also mentioned you. It just so happens that I have something to look for you. For Xie Kai, a young man, Yevraro gave enough attention and respect.
In Saudi Arabia, there are many people who are younger than Xie Kai and hold great power.
"I wonder if there's anything I can do to help the lieutenant colonel?" Xie Kai asked.
"We need to go to your country to train ...... in the South China Sea," Lieutenant Colonel Jevrola said solemnly, "neither His Royal Highness nor I want our navy to have no combat capability at all in the future!"
Sleepiness meets a pillow.
How can the Saudis not be afraid of death and want to go to dangerous areas?
A large part of the reason for the previous mobilization was the strong demand of the Saudi officers and soldiers, who feared that after the outbreak of war, the Vietnamese would misunderstand that this training ship was the main ship of the Chinese Navy.
Along the way, Xie Kai thought about a lot of rhetoric, thinking about how to convince the Saudis.
As a result, now representatives of the Saudi military have actually said that they should go to places like the South China Sea where the situation is tense.
"Isn't this very good? Lieutenant Colonel, although this warship is now leased to your country, and it is mainly used to train your country's officers and soldiers, but in China's waters, the Chinese flag is flying!" Xie Kai said.
Money, anyway, the Saudis gave it.
Warships, still Chinese.
In China's territorial waters, it will certainly not allow warships flying the flags of other countries to sail arbitrarily.
Even the Chinese instructors themselves have all kinds of materials in the ocean, and they will never let the officers and men of the Saudi Navy carry out practical operations in China's waters.
The main purpose of the training is to enable them to master the various operations and performance of warships and become familiar with them.
After all, the entire Saudi Navy trainee is the future backbone of the Saudi Navy.
"......In the Middle East, conflicts are prone to occur, and only with rich experience can our navy better maintain the security of territorial waters and at the same time maintain peace and stability in ......the Middle East."
For Saudi Arabia's naval officers and sailors, every time they go to sea, they must be accompanied by supply ships.
053H2 originally had a small displacement, a lot of staffing, and during training, there were a lot more personnel in each position.
This is also a kind of helplessness.
Originally, there were basic training ships for Saudi naval officers and sailors to train, but the contract between the two sides was tight on time, and Saudi Arabia demanded that when the warships were delivered, these naval officers and sailors could independently learn the basic operation of the warships.
In this way, Saudi officers and soldiers can only be rotated to go directly to the ship for practical operation.
There was a lot of trouble in the whole process.
It is indeed very difficult for the Saudi side to make such a request now.
The people who train the officers and men of the Saudi Navy are big-headed, and these guys are not here to be soldiers at all, a little hard, a little tired, it is not good.
The People's Liberation Army's ocean-going training will not need to be accompanied by supply ships at all.
But the Saudi Arabians are different from the men who give money, the engine room in the battleship is cramped, the personnel are crowded, and the environment is not too good, so in order to have a better rest, and even take a hot shower at the end of the training every day, the Chinese side has to send a supply ship to accompany the training ship.
For the navy of any country, such a thing is almost intolerable.
But for the Saudi Navy, this is a must.
Until now, the basic training subjects have not been completed.
"Lieutenant Colonel, it's not that our side disagrees, it's that your naval officers and men don't obey orders like PLA officers and soldiers...... If they train according to the requirements of wartime, they can hardly endure such hardships......" Xie Kai had not yet spoken, and Major Yu Haitao, the head of the Chinese side who was in charge of providing training to the officers and men of the Saudi Navy, said solemnly.
For Saudi officers and soldiers, the Chinese instructors really have a headache.
Even with a lot of Arabic translators seconded from the Department of Commerce, these guys are not so meticulous in carrying out orders.
"It won't happen again. This time, I'll be with them personally!" assured Lieutenant Colonel Jevrola.
He was the leader of the team and studied naval combat command with the Chinese Navy.
"If you have a supply ship with you, you'll be slowed down...... When fighting, it is simply impossible to carry supply ships all the time, this is to give the enemy a target!" Yu Haitao emphasized.