064 Don't forget Pakistan as the financier
"If this plan cannot be approved by the military, no matter how much it is changed, it will not be able to get enough funding. Zhang Deming took a deep breath and looked at Xie Kai, "If it is changed like this, it is better to tear them all down and redesign a heavy tank, so that you can have a greater grasp." ”
"I also feel like this renovation is almost a redesign. Even the chassis and load-bearing wheels of the 59 limited the room for further performance. ”
"125 mm on tank guns, there is no relevant technology in the country. Even if we redevelop a new project, it will be difficult for us to come up with it in a short time, the technical strength of the 617 is difficult to figure out, and the technology of the 105 rifled gun is imported from the UK. ”
"In terms of powertrain, it has always been our weak point, and it is very difficult to get a mature engine with more than 730 horsepower......
All kinds of doubts have emerged.
All of you in the conference room are experts in various fields of tanks.
They may not have the same broad horizons as the technical experts of 617 and 541, but they definitely have a lot of experience.
Naturally, he is extremely familiar with the relevant technologies in his own field.
"I know people are concerned about the future of this project. But it is certain that at present the 617 aspect has begun pre-research on the third generation of tanks. However, it is certain that they have not yet found the direction and are completely sure of the plan. We're in a leading position to have a complete design solution. Zheng Yucheng is well aware of the research on the 617 tank.
It's not that 617 doesn't work hard, but in the current situation, the military has no money, and advanced tanks mean that they are expensive.
The 617 is more about researching and improving the performance of the current tank, and at the same time researching a tank with advanced performance and inexpensive price.
When a more advanced tank costs several times more than an ordinary tank, how the military will choose, it is clear to everyone.
"The West-81 military exercise, the Soviet Union's steel torrent shook the whole world, the Europeans were scared, and even we were worried about their military power...... But let's not forget that military technology always needs to advance. We are not a professional tank research and manufacturing unit like 617, we don't need to think too much, only the most advanced technology......" Zheng Yucheng said seriously.
His meaning is obvious, to grab the funds of the 617 in terms of third-generation tanks.
The improvement of the 59 tank, catching up with the 617 will be passive everywhere, and in the end they will be preempted. It is only possible to bypass 617 and go directly from their blank space to overtake it.
"In some areas, in order to receive state funding, we have to have more advanced technology than our peers. In terms of equipment research and development, we are not professionals, but we can overtake in corners, they take a straight line step by step, we overtake directly in the corners, and wait for them in front......" Zheng Yucheng took out the words that Xie Kai used to persuade him.
Overtaking in corners!
In the field of weapons and equipment, there are now many units in the domestic military industrial system, and everyone is having a hard time because the country's strategic focus has shifted from the military to the field of economic construction, the military has insufficient funds, and a large number of projects have been cut.
The base has asked various competent departments for projects for several years, and it is not easy for professional units to get to, let alone a base like 404.
Electromagnetic bombs, which belong to the domestic blank, are also weapons and equipment in the advanced field in the world.
The military has not given an answer so far, at least, Zheng Yucheng, who has always been in contact with Long Yaohua, knows the attitude of the military leadership.
It is certainly necessary to do it, but to what extent, whether or not it is equipped, how much it is equipped, and how much money is allocated for this project are all very difficult for the military top brass.
As for the cloud burst bomb, the military also has ideas, there is no technology in China, and it has been in contact with the United States and the Soviet Union to seek technology introduction, but it has not yet succeeded.
This is already an opportunity for the base to hopefully overtake in the corners and catch up with the international footsteps.
Therefore, Zheng Yuchengcai is so supportive of Xie Kai's performance transformation plan for the 59 tank to be directly upgraded from the first generation tank to the third generation tank.
bankrupt, smashed pots and sold iron, and had to get out.
"Actually, you don't have to worry. The reason why the first requirement for this tank is to overturn the T72 is, on the one hand, because the Iran-Iraq war in the Middle East is still ongoing, and both Iraq and Iran may become our potential buyers...... And then there's our neighbors. India imported the T72 from the USSR, while Pakistan did not ...... "Xie Kai knows that everyone is worried about the prospects of the project.
In this regard, Pakistan can only turn to China for help.
In fact, after receiving India's request, China developed a "two-and-a-half-generation" tank with the characteristics of a third-generation tank based on the WZ-122 project that had been discontinued, and finally developed the Type 85IIM tank.
"The T72 looks advanced on the surface, but this can't even be compared with the T64, not only the protection capability, but also the fire control system, which is very poor...... The design of the ammunition bay is not reasonable, and if the armor-piercing shell penetrates the turret, the high temperature and metal sputtering stream will cause a detonation...... The fire control system, which is equipped with an active infrared night vision sight, has an effective range of only 800 meters, and the ability to fight at night is too poor...... Automatic reloading mechanism, electric drive, etc....... "For the T72, which was blown into the sky by the Soviets, the Gulf War allowed the US imperialism to destroy 1000 vehicles in 100 hours......
Xie Kai has never been interested in this kind of tank.
The really good stuff of the USSR was not exported at all.
For example, the T64 and T80 used by yourself.
"The T72's night combat equipment is not good, and the armor protection is not enough?" everyone was surprised.
At present, the various performance parameters of the T72 are not clear.
When Xie Kai heard this, he immediately knew that he had slipped his mouth.
"Of course, this is only heard. In terms of infrared night vision, Soviet technology is not much better than ours...... My dad used to stay in the Soviet Union for many years...... "Xie Kai simply returned the pot to his father's back."
The words were ambiguous, and he didn't say whether it was his father who said it.
This explanation is obviously not satisfactory.
"Pakistan needs tanks that can compete with the T72, and we need it at home. As long as our tanks are fierce enough in firepower and their armor can defend against the Soviet export model of the T72, we will be able to get their orders, and the funds will be paid by them. Xie Kai changed the subject.
In the Iran-Iraq war, both Iraq and Iran will eventually import tanks and fighters from China, after all, they are also poor.
But Pakistan, if you want to target the Indian T72 tank, neither the American M1, nor the German Leopard 2, can be sold to Pakistan.
"Now Pakistan won't pay attention to us, we are not engaged in tank research. Zheng Yucheng said with a frown.
Zhang Deming is the same, "Even if they want to look for it, they must first find the 617 factory." ”
"Therefore, we need to come up with an easy-to-implement plan as soon as possible, and then Director Zheng and the technicians in charge of this area will take the initiative to go to the Pakistanis, and if they can't find their arms procurement team, they will go directly to their embassy and show them the ......plan," Xie Kai said.
"It's not a good thing for us to cut off the order of the 617 factory like this......" someone said with a wry smile.
"What is the meaning of cutting off Hu! 617 has a lot of projects in their hands, whether it is the research and development of a new generation of tanks, or the improvement of the 59 tank, they are all in their hands, they will not be too many more projects, and they will not care about one less, but we can't!" Zheng Yucheng said.
I can't care so much now.
As long as you can grab the project and get research funds to support the development of 404, it will be fine.
"The technical difficulty of the project is too great, we don't have enough manpower, and it is difficult to meet the needs of new personnel training in a short time, and the Ministry of Labor and Personnel will not assign us people...... Zhang Deming said.
It is a fact that there are not enough researchers at the base.
404 itself is not a base for scientific research, and many scientific research teams have been evacuated.
The tank team is relatively large, and the total number is only more than 200 people.
Zheng Yucheng looked at Xie Kai.
To work on a project, you definitely need a skilled person with enough experience. The situation at the base is not good, and the superiors no longer distribute college graduates here.
The state is engaged in economic construction, and the scale of personnel training every year cannot keep up with the demand.
The base can't solve the talent, and naturally it is difficult to make much progress in the project.
"There are a lot of people in the 541 tank base in Zhongtiao Mountain!" Xie Kai was speechless for a moment when he saw them looking at him, and said with a sigh.
He had already made such a project, and it was useless to hide other things, he knew these techniques, but he couldn't do it alone.
No weapons and equipment can be made by one person, otherwise, there is no need for a complete industrial system base.
There is a need for sufficient personnel to engage in technology development.
"Dig the foot of the wall of the 541 base?" Zheng Yucheng didn't expect Xie Kai to make such a suggestion, "I thought we would cooperate with 541." ”
"In fact, it is more appropriate for us to cooperate with the 541 base to engage in technology development. Zhang Deming and others felt that Xie Kai's proposal was not very good.
If the relationship is not handled well, don't want to get the support of 541 in the future, and the 617 factory will definitely not be willing to take out the technology.
"Cooperation is more conducive to development, and the technical strength of 541 is far stronger than ours. Zhang Deming looked at Xie Kai and said very seriously.
"Yes, I would like to ask, if we cooperate, the progress of research and development, can we control it?" Xie Kai's question, no one can refute, "who can ensure that they will not divert funds to other projects?"
Everyone is facing the same problem, Zheng Yucheng of the 404 base uses his salary for project development, who can ensure that other units do not pay for scientific research to pay wages and benefits or other projects?
How to ensure the R&D progress with a small amount of final investment?
"It's not digging into the wall. If you transfer people directly, it is estimated that they will not agree. What if we borrow some personnel from the 541 base first, and the salary and bonus will be borne by the base?" Xie Kai smiled sinisterly, and then said.