"If we are unrealistic, if we don't stand on the existing foundation and move forward in a down-to-earth manner, and ultimately we can't provide finished products when the military needs them, will we be able to get orders from the Air Force?" Xie Kai was not to be outdone.

Looking at Ma Lao, Ma Lao was also embarrassed.

After the end of the previous large press, the further modification design of the Yun 10 has been discussed, and the performance technical indicators proposed at the beginning are similar to the model of the American C-141 military transport aircraft.

As a result, the performance indicator has now been raised.

"Let's talk about it later. Zheng Yucheng saw that Su Xingguo's face was not good-looking, so he stopped Xie Kai and motioned for Ma Fengshan to continue the introduction.

Zheng Yucheng doesn't know much about the technical data, but he can also compare these performance indicators with the performance indicators of the Yun-10 aircraft.

"Ma Lao, the project is ours, how can they lead it?" After coming down, Xie Kai asked Ma Fengshan a little unceremoniously, "That kind of technical index, in the short term, it will not be reached at all." ”

Ma Fengshan smiled bitterly, but shook his head and didn't speak.

From time to time, Cheng eagerly explained to Xie Kai, "Qin Fei had the idea of building a larger transport plane before, the maximum load of Yunba is only 20 tons, the range is not enough, and the size of the cargo compartment behind is too small, and many equipment cannot be transported. The Qin Feiyun-8 cabin and air conditioning technology are in cooperation with Lockheed, and Lockheed's C-141 can be improved in some technical indicators to achieve this data ......"

"Another after-effect of a model of peace?" Xie Kai frowned.

Sun Daoqian: Are they going to introduce C-141 manufacturing technology to engage in domestic military transport aircraft?

The C-141 is a 150-ton aircraft with a maximum take-off weight of 155 tons and a maximum load of almost 40 tons.

The Il-76 has a similar carrying capacity as the C-141, but there is a big difference in performance, and the Soviet transport aircraft inherited the usual style of Soviet-style aircraft - stupid and coarse.

Don't look at the maximum load of the Il-76 reaching 50 tons, the maximum load of the Il-76-MD-90A and Il-76-MF models can reach 60 tons, but the overall weight is 40 tons heavier than the C-141!

If it weren't for the development of materials and engines, it would have cost more to achieve such transportation capacity.

"In such a situation, we also feel that such data is more reliable, which is a proven ......"

"Argument fart!" Xie Kai suddenly became angry, "If the C-141 production line is really introduced, what is the future of our Yun Shi?"

Xie Kai was really a little troubled.

Yun Ten was robbed of the venue by McDonnell Douglas before, but now he finally sees hope, and Lockheed is here again.

I didn't hear that China was going to introduce Lockheed's C-141 military transport aircraft during the peace model.

"Since they want to cooperate with the Americans, what does it have to do with us?" Zheng Yucheng was also a little angry.

Ma Fengshan and the others didn't speak.

Xie Kai sneered, "It's not that we have to pay for it? This is a fart, the C-141 has been discontinued in 82, and now the things they can't sell are coming to us!"

"We don't have a lot of design experience with wide-body airliners. Ma Fengshan said softly. "With the introduction of their technology, we will gain more experience in the next signal design of the Yun-10 passenger transport project. The development of Airbus has left us behind......"

The attitude is obvious, the old man has the idea of technology introduction.

It's no wonder that he's in a hurry.

Airbus was established at about the same time as the Yun-10 project, but Airbus has received a lot of orders, and the Yun-10 has not obtained airworthiness permits until now......

"Yun Shi, let's do it ourselves! What we need is not only a technological breakthrough, but also the accumulation of this technology. Ma Lao, if our diplomatic relations with Lockheed change in the process of cooperation, what will be the final result?" Xie Kai was helpless. "Ma Lao, when you were young, you made an oath that you would work hard to study and master advanced aviation technology and design and manufacture China's own airplanes! What I hope is that in China's airspace, we will fly planes designed by ourselves, even if their performance is inferior! Only when we have a full set of manufacturing technology will we not be stuck. ”

Ma Fengshan has paid too much for China's large aircraft.

Even, after getting off the horse, the whole person finally died of depression.

It has to be said that this is a big loss for China's aviation industry.

And the dismount of Yun Shi, to a large extent, is also because the engine can not be matched.

The Americans are simply not willing to export complete sets of engines to China on a large scale, and they prefer to export China's finished aircraft and turn China's aviation industry into a subordinate of their aviation industry.

The most obvious is the Brazilian aerospace industry.

Originally, the Brazilian aerospace industry has been relatively strong since its establishment in 69, but it is precisely because of the intervention of airlines such as the United States that the company can only produce commercial jetliners with less than 120 seats......

Ma Fengshan was a little embarrassed, Cheng wanted to explain from time to time, but he was finally stopped by him.

Mo Qi didn't expect that Xie Kai's usual work would be like this.

This had too much of a shock to her, and she felt that the root cause of Xie Kai's getting farther and farther away from her had also been found.

This is no longer the Xie Kai who drove a model tank to face off at home for her and Wang Hao.

"You can't do that. If we want to introduce it, we don't need to continue to invest in Yunshi. When Xie Kai and Zheng Yucheng settled down in Qin Fei's guest house, Zheng Yucheng said to Xie Kai seriously. "Otherwise, Yun Shi will eventually be affected, and our limited funds will definitely not be used to introduce production technology. We need to improve the supporting industry!"

Xie Kai was not surprised that Zheng Yucheng had such a cognition.

The old guy doesn't like to buy technology from abroad, preferring to do it himself.

Even if it's a little worse than the international one, at least don't ask for people.

"If it weren't for the sake of supporting, what would we do with this? If we use the investment in Yun Shi to invest in any project, we will have already paid back our roots and generated a lot of profits every year. Xie Kai said dissatisfied. "I don't know what they think. ”

"As long as we don't agree, no one can do anything. Zheng Yucheng nodded, "Li Mingshan will come after a while, let's make it clear to him directly, if the above means to cooperate with the Americans, we will not participate in this project." ”

"Chief Li is coming?" Xie Kai thought at first that Zheng Yucheng was fooling him.

It seems that the military attaches great importance to the main model of the future military transport aircraft.

Although there is no money to equip it now, to improve the military's long-range delivery capability, there will be no pause in the exploration of future construction.

"What if they don't agree?" Su Xingguo looked at Sun Daoqian, "We simply can't support the funds for the introduction of technology." ”

"If you follow their previous project, although it is more secure, the cost is higher, and it may not be able to meet the future needs of the army. After introducing the technology of the Americans and improving it with their help, we can completely challenge the manufacturing technology of transport aircraft of a larger tonnage after we have mastered and digested it......," Sun Daoqian sighed, "If we want to quickly catch up with the international leading level, there is no way to introduce it." ”

Su Xingguo also sighed.

Qin Fei is the largest transport aircraft design and development unit in China, and until now, he can't even get the airtight cabin and air-conditioning technology of Yunba, and he has to rely on the introduction.

Of course, in terms of design, there is a lot of help from the Americans.

How young is this development?

The 404 has a 45,000-ton press, and a 65,000-ton press will be built, so that it can produce more stressed key structural components, and at that time, it may be able to gradually challenge the 200-ton or even 300-ton large aircraft.

The military has no money?

The army is patient now?

You won't always run out of money, you will always be patient.

The better the economic construction is done, the more the national defense needs to be stronger.

More importantly, so that there can be big projects and more funding.

"Do you have any opinions on this project?" Li Mingshan came over, it was already more than ten o'clock in the evening, and after listening to the report of Sun Daoqian and others, he went to the guest house and looked for Xie Kai and Zheng Yucheng first.

One old and one young did not even pick him up at the airport because they were dissatisfied.

It's not that Li Mingshan is stingy, but he wants to know what the reasons for their opposition are.

"Chief, if we cooperate with the United States, we will not participate. They do theirs, we do our own. Zheng Yucheng and Xie Kai have already discussed.

"Isn't this a duplicate construction? It's a waste of not much money?" Li Mingshan frowned and looked at Xie Kai.

He thought it was Xie Kai who disagreed.

"Chief, if we introduce a C-141, a US military transport aircraft that has been discontinued, what is the future of our Y-10?" Xie Kai asked Li Mingshan, without a hint of euphemism.

Mo Qi was next to him, wanting to stop it, Li Mingshan was a lieutenant general!

In the end, I still remembered my responsibilities, just followed Xie Kai, gave up my dream, silently became an assistant, just watched from the side, and gradually accepted Xie Kai in this strange state that she was extremely uncomfortable with.

"Can you make sure that Yun Shi can provide it when the troops need it?" asked Li Mingshan.

"No, you can't. Xie Kai replied calmly. "There's no guarantee of that. ”

"National defense construction cannot be stagnant, although there is no funding now. Li Mingshan said meaningfully, "Both the training of the airborne troops and the ability of the rapid deployment of the troops need to be built. The United States is building a 24-hour global delivery capability, and we must build at least 12 hours of rapid delivery capability at any location in China......"

Strategic defense is completely different from strategic offense.

China's national defense construction lies in the defense of the whole country.

But at present, the projection capacity of the Yun-8 pair of troops is too small, and it is not easy to send a brigade to any location in the country, and this is only personnel, not including weapons and equipment.

"That's not what we think about. We are a military industrial unit, and what we are considering is to improve the domestic military manufacturing facilities to ensure that our country will not be stuck in the neck because of the suspension of foreign supplies in a state of war, so that our troops will lose the war because of the lack of sufficient equipment!" Zheng Yucheng said confrontally.

Li Mingshan's face suddenly became ugly, "Don't we want to?"