Academician Ni is very thin, his appearance is not good, but he is extraordinarily energetic. He was wearing a shirt, ordinary, not a name brand, and it was impossible to patch, anyway, like an ordinary college teacher.

Ma Xiaoyun hurriedly got up and shook hands: "Hello Academician Ni, I am Ma Xiaoyun, who contacted you on the phone, and I am currently the general manager of the Information Department of the EDI Center under the Ministry of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation. This is Song Weiyang, the chairman of Xifeng Company, Boss Song has been admiring you for a long time, so I want to come and meet you. ”

"Don't dare to see you," Academician Ni shook hands with a smile, "Boss Song is one of the leaders in the domestic beverage industry, and I have known Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola one after another, and I have known them from the newspaper for a long time." ”

Song Weiyang said: "Academician Ni can call me Xiao Song. In the beverage industry, Xifeng has to make persistent efforts, and currently only surpasses Pepsi in the domestic market, and our next goal is to beat Coca-Cola!"

"Young people are ambitious!" Academician Ni said approvingly, and said to Ma Xiaoyun, "Xiaoma, I also know that I helped establish People's Daily last year, and I am also a loyal netizen of People's Daily Online." ”

"I am very honored. Ma Xiaoyun said.

Song Weiyang called the waiter over and asked Academician Ni to order, and then he ordered two more meat dishes.

Before the food was served, Academician Ni asked Ma Xiaoyun: "You just mentioned the EDI center, what kind of institution is this? Is it also related to the Internet?"

Ma Xiaoyun explained: "EDI is a way of using computers for business processing, which can use information from trade, transportation, insurance, banking, customs and other industries to form structured transaction processing data in an internationally recognized standard model, and exchange data through the Internet. This project is initiated by the United Nations and promoted by various governments, and in the future, international transactions can be carried out online, and even customs duties can be settled online. China is in this area, and I am fully responsible for the technical aspect. ”

"This project is very good," Academician Ni exclaimed, "Technology can change the way of life of human beings, and it can also change the way of international trade." If the project is successful, you will be a hero of the country. ”

Ma Xiaoyun said modestly: "I don't dare to be a hero, I am only responsible for technology, and it all depends on the promotion of leaders at all levels." ”

Academician Ni chatted with Ma Xiaoyun for several minutes about the Internet, and naturally talked about computers, he said: "Chinese must have their own computer operating system, otherwise they will be stuck by people, and everything in the future will depend on people's nose." ”

"That's true. Ma Xiaoyun echoed.

Song Weiyang suddenly said: "Academician Ni, I opened a technology company to manufacture and sell computers. ”

"Grab business with Lenovo?" Academician Ni asked with a smile.

"The idea," Mr. Song said, "is that Lenovo is China's largest computer manufacturer, and competition is inevitable." But my goal is not to beat Lenovo, but to make a truly domestic computer, at least a large part of the hardware to be localized. ”

"When computers are localized, chips must be localized!" Academician Ni said.

"It's hard. Song Weiyang said.

"It's hard," Academician Ni said, "but we have to take the first step." ”

Song Weiyang shook his head and said: "I'm not saying that it's difficult to make chips, but even if chips are made, subsequent commercialization is difficult." A chip that cannot be commercialized is a waste chip with no value at all. ”

Academician Ni put away his smile and asked, "Do you also support the 'trade, industry and technology'?"

Song Weiyang said: "'Trade, industry and technology' is understandable, and there is no essential difference between it and 'technology, industry and trade'. What really needs to be blamed is that only the word 'trade' is left in front of commercial interests, forgetting that there is also the existence of 'technology'. Huawei does not distinguish between 'technology, industry and trade' and 'trade, industry and technology', they started by being an agent, and they do not lose technology while developing the market. In the case of difficulty in making profits, technology research and development was temporarily lost, just to survive. What route can you define for Huawei?"

Academician Ni asked: "Does Huawei also make computers? I have never heard of this company. ”

Song Weiyang sweated wildly, and he could only blame Huawei for being too low-key!

Not only Academician Ni, but many people have never heard of Huawei. Last year, when Li Yuzhuo, vice president of Sitong, changed jobs, President Duan Yongji asked, "Where are you going?" Li Yuzhuo said: "Huawei." Duan Yongji was surprised: "Huawei, haven't you heard of it, this company is not famous, right?"

Song Weiyang explained: "Huawei is engaged in communication equipment, and last year's turnover was billions of yuan. Just two months ago, Huawei's boss took the initiative to reduce his shareholding to 1% and increase the shareholding of management and employees to 70%. At the same time, Mr. Ren set a rule in the company's internal documents that more than 10% of Huawei's annual profits must be used to invest in technology research and development. ”

"This company has a future!" Academician Ni exclaimed, "If I have the opportunity, I will definitely communicate with that Mr. Ren." ”

Song Weiyang said: "Huawei uses trade to fund technology and uses technology to accumulate strength for trade, can you say that it is 'technology, industry and trade' or 'trade, industry and technology'? ”

Academician Ni was silent for a long time before saying, "That's true." But someone went too far and had to put the brakes on him. ”

"Then let's talk about chips," Song Weiyang did a lot of homework in advance and asked, "If China independently develops chips, can you bypass the technology patents? The patents of the X86 system have been almost registered by Intel." ”

Academician Ni said: "So I want to bypass the X86 system and make embedded chips." ”

Song Weiyang also said: "Well, let's say China can make embedded chips, but who will you sell them to? Buyers must develop product prototypes based on your chips, is there such a company in China? No, no one buys them, because it is useless to buy them, and they can only be thrown into the garbage heap." ”

This is something that Academician Ni has never considered, he only cares about technology, regardless of business and market.

Academician Ni was stunned for a long time, gritted his teeth and said: "Then I will make a chip first, and then make a public board around this chip!

Song Weiyang said with a smile: "Okay, I believe that Academician Ni can make both chips and public boards, but who wants to buy them? Intel has a Microsoft system to match, do you let those companies develop their own computer systems in order to buy your chips and public boards? Even if you develop your own computer system, what about the software, there is not a single supporting software? Do you still want to make your own software, or let others make supporting software?"

Academician Ni was dumbfounded.

Song Weiyang said: "This is an ecosystem, not just chips and public boards. If any businessman finds Academician Ni and swears that he can make chips, public boards, and operating systems, then this person must be a scheming bastard! He has only one motive, that is, to cheat the state of policy appropriations!"

In history, there was such a bastard.

This person graduated from Harbin Institute of Technology, and pulled the professor of Harbin Institute of Technology to open a company and outsource business for Motorola, and later the company was merged into Hitachi Group as a whole. Hitachi Group's project failed, and this person had already saved up a R&D team in his hands, eager to find new business, so he set his sights on Academician Ni.

When Academician Ni saw the other party's R&D team, he immediately went crazy with joy, and he didn't want the slightest share, but helped run the policy and the fund, and ran out of the national 863 project, just to be able to create China's own chips.

Academician Ni didn't know that when he was busy with the project, this person was busy fighting for power and profit - kicking out the two company veterans and letting his younger brother and sister-in-law each have 35% of the shares. Academician Ni ran around all day to appeal, R&D personnel worked hard day and night, and a large number of policy funds from the state supported him, but this person was busy bypassing the national listing and secretly went to the Cayman Islands to register a new company.

The funniest thing is that there are many patriotic companies that have taken the initiative to leave the Intel camp and want to use China's own chips. As a result, when they came to talk about cooperation, they were rejected by this person, and as long as they had government orders, they couldn't look down on the petty fights of these enterprises.

The main persons in charge of the chip project are Academician Ni and Liu Qiang, who also sow discord, saying that Liu Qiang is his niece and son-in-law, causing Academician Ni to deliberately alienate Liu Qiang for a long time. Later, Liu Qiang was stunned when he heard this, he didn't have this relative at all!

This person took the state's policy funds, refused to invest in the follow-up research and development of chips, and turned to PHS, to repair buildings and engage in real estate. The country's 863 project was withdrawn as soon as it was said, but this person didn't take the government seriously at all, and it became a farce known to the whole country, and he couldn't figure it out.

After a long time, this guy's nationality is actually Canadian......

Academician Ni didn't take a penny from it, and worked hard for several years, but in the end he got into trouble, because he ran out of the whole project.

"As soon as you say that, China can't develop its own chips?" Academician Ni asked very depressedly.

"It's hard, you need to take it one step at a time. Song Weiyang said.

Academician Ni said: "Tell me, what do you think?" ”

Song Weiyang said: "The company I opened is doing PHS, which is a mobile phone that uses a fixed network. I want to use the money I make from my mobile phone to support the R&D team in the computer field. We don't rely on the state, we do it ourselves. At the beginning, I didn't get involved in chips, but first did research and development in other aspects, assembled and sold brand computers, and slowly accumulated strength. You can also make a public board around Intel's chips first, develop a motherboard of your own design, and finally make chips! This time is tentatively set at ten years. ”

"Ten years to make chips is not a long time. Academician Ni said.

Song Weiyang said: "My factory is located in Shenghai, but I want to set up a R&D center in Zhongguancun, and ask you to be the chief engineer." ”

Academician Ni did not immediately refuse: "I'll think about it again." ”

Song Weiyang said: "I invested 10 million yuan in the R&D center here in Zhongguancun in advance, and 10% of the company's annual profit will also be used for R&D in the future." ”

"Well," Academician Ni was obviously moved, and he said, "Boss Song, when the matter of Lenovo is resolved, I will give you an answer." ”

"No problem, I'm waiting for good news. Song Weiyang said with a smile.