"First of all, small units with an annual output of less than 1 million tons must be forcibly eliminated. ”

Feng Xiaochen raised a finger and said to Wang Zhenbin.

Wang Zhenbin hesitated and said: "On this issue, the Development and Planning Commission does have a plan, which plans to eliminate these backward production capacity in five to ten years. However, our current supply of refined oil products is insufficient, and if these small units are eliminated, won't the import pressure on refined oil products be greater?"

Feng Xiaochen said: "This is called putting oneself to death and then being born." If the state does not take strong measures to forcibly eliminate them, then in the future they will have to adopt all kinds of expedient measures in order to keep these small oil refineries alive, and eventually they will be burdened with huge burdens. ”

Xu Zhenbo interjected: "I think what Mr. Feng said is reasonable, we are now trying to protect these inefficient small refineries, and we dare not accept the conditions for reducing tariffs on refined oil products." You don't know that if we don't agree to this offer, we will lose a lot of other benefits. ”

Wang Zhenbin pointed his finger at Feng Xiaochen and said, "I can't answer you this question now, so you should talk about your second point first." ”

Feng Xiaochen then raised a second finger and said, "My second point is related to the first point. After shutting down these small refineries, we can upgrade large and medium-sized refineries of a certain size, increasing the production capacity of each enterprise to more than 10 million tons per year. In addition, we can build two or three new refineries, which must have a capacity of more than 20 million tons per year. ”

"That's why I'm inviting you. Wang Zhenbin said, "The NDPC does intend to build two to three new refineries with an annual output of more than 20 million tons, but each refinery of this size will invest more than $3 billion in equipment alone." I would like to ask you equipment companies whether you have the ability to localize these equipment. If there is no need to import equipment, in other words, there is no need to use foreign exchange, then we will be much less stressed. ”

Feng Xiaochen said: "We have not done an oil refining unit with an annual output of 20 million tons. However, we have been engaged in large fertilizer equipment and large ethylene equipment in recent years, and the technology accumulation has been very sufficient, and I believe that we can take down the equipment of this specification. ”

"There is no joke in the army?" Wang Zhenbin said seriously.

Feng Xiaochen smiled: "What, you still want me to make a military order for you?"

Wang Zhenbin also laughed, laughing a little embarrassed. After laughing, he said seriously: "It stands to reason that your boss patted his chest, and I, as a big brother, have nothing to worry about." However, our senior director needs a clear answer, and this involves whether the Development and Planning Commission can agree to the major issue of the Ministry of Foreign Trade to open up the refined oil market, and it cannot be a joke. ”

When Xu Zhenbo heard Wang Zhenbin talk about his head, he said: "When it comes to the commitment to join the WTO, we really need to be cautious. The liberalization of the refined oil market is a process, and we can promise to reduce tariffs by 30% for three years, then 30%, for another three years, and finally in about 10 years, so that our tariff level will reach the level required by the Americans. Ten years is a long time, but I know that the construction of an oil refinery takes a cycle, and there is very little time left for you to try and make mistakes. If we eventually find that we are unable to solve the technical problems ourselves, and we have to import large oil refining units from abroad, which involves both foreign exchange issues and time issues, then we will be passive. ”

"We don't need ten years, if the NDPC can give policies, and at the same time the funds can be guaranteed, we can build three refineries with an annual output of 20 million tons of refined oil within five years, the technical level is not lower than the average level of the West, and the production cost is not higher than their average level. Feng Xiaochen said firmly.

"Are you really sure of this?" Wang Zhenbin's eyes flashed.

Feng Xiaochen said: "Lao Wang, Director Xu, you are engaged in economic management, and you may not know much about our industrial field. In fact, oil refining is the lowest technical threshold in the entire petrochemical industry, compared with large-scale ethylene plants and large-scale paraxylene plants. Compared with the oil refining unit with an annual output of 20 million tons and the 5 million tons of equipment we have engaged in in the past, the scale has been expanded, such as the diameter of the distillation column should reach more than 10 meters, the weight of the hydrogenation reactor should reach more than 1,000 tons, and there are large heat exchangers, large heating furnaces, large vacuum systems, large pumps, etc., in short, one word: big. A few years ago, we built an extreme manufacturing base in Haidong, which was aimed at the manufacture of these large-scale equipment, and now the extreme manufacturing base has been basically completed, and it is no longer a problem to engage in these large-scale equipment. ”

Feng Xiaochen said so, but in fact, the expansion of the scale of equipment is not simply to make things bigger, and in the process of large-scale equipment, many new technical problems will arise, and these problems can not be considered in small equipment.

For example, the atmospheric and vacuum distillation unit with an annual output of 20 million tons needs a 300 megawatt atmospheric furnace, and it is not difficult to manufacture such a large atmospheric furnace, but it involves a series of new problems: the medium flow rate of the large furnace is large, how to reduce the bias flow and balance operation, and the distribution of the flow is involved; the furnace space of the large furnace is larger, and how to ensure that all parts are heated evenly, which involves the overall structural design of the heating furnace; and the manufacture and installation of large-diameter thick-walled furnace tubes and heat-resistant steel pipe racks are also new topics.

However, after more than ten years of digestion and absorption of foreign technology, the large equipment enterprises and research institutes in the equipment company system have cultivated a large number of outstanding technical personnel, and have accumulated a lot of experience in large-scale equipment research and development.

Advanced industrial technology is not a mystery, and many technologies have their own research methods. Those who have not yet started may feel that they have no idea where to start, but for those who have already started, the research idea is very clear, as long as you invest money, equipment, and talents in this direction, you can always make it. The national equipment manufacturing field is now full of talents, and what is lacking is only opportunities and funds.

Thinking of the funds, Feng Xiaochen put away the relaxed expression just now, and said to Wang Zhenbin: "Old Wang, there is one thing I need to declare in advance, we can win the 20 million tons of oil refining equipment, but in terms of funds, the Development and Planning Commission must guarantee it. As you just said, a 20 million ton device is worth $3 billion, or 25 billion yuan, and if you can't come up with so much money, I won't be able to turn it into equipment for you. ”

"It's going to be so expensive?" Xu Zhenbo smacked his lips.

Wang Zhenbin smiled bitterly: "This is just equipment investment, civil engineering plus other supporting facilities, how can it be tens of billions." However, Director Xu, think about it, now a ton of refined oil is more than 2,000 yuan, with an annual output of 20 million tons of refined oil, an annual output value of 50 billion, and profits and taxes are almost more than 10 billion. Isn't it worth the investment to build an oil refinery and make it back in three or four years?"

"I see. Xu Zhenbo understood, and at the same time understood why the Development and Planning Commission should make great efforts to protect the refined oil market, which is really a fat industry.

Feng Xiaochen said: "Three or four years to recover the investment, a little optimistic. We now have a large profit on refined oil because of the relevant tax protection. If Director Xu and his side cancel the tariff protection, the domestic price of refined oil will have to fall sharply with the international market, and the profit level will not be so high. However, the internal rate of return of more than 10% should still be guaranteed, and such a high profit is worth fighting. ”

Xiao Feng is right. Wang Zhenbin nodded and said, "However, the construction period of an oil refinery takes four or five years, and the pressure on funds is also very great for our Development and Planning Commission." Just now, Xiao Feng asked me to guarantee the funds, to be honest, I really don't have this confidence. ”

Feng Xiaochen spread his hands and said with a smile: "It's been a long time, you have no money, what are you talking about if you don't have money." Director Xu, let's go, there is a shabu shabu restaurant over there in the Yuetan that tastes good, why don't we try it now. ”

"You Xiao Feng!" Wang Zhenbin laughed at Feng Xiaochen's laziness, he pointed at Feng Xiaochen and reprimanded: "I didn't say no, there is pressure on funds, this is inevitable." The fixed investment in the name of the state-owned economy is 1.5 trillion yuan a year, which seems to be a lot, but it is not much allocated to various departments. You said that the construction of three new 20 million tons of oil refineries, equipment plus civil construction is more than 100 billion, of course we have to coordinate, how can we say that investment will be invested. ”

Feng Xiaochen said: "Lao Wang, you have forgotten the first point I just said. If the state is determined to forcibly phase out small refineries, they will be forced to invest in large refineries. Now that the central government has no money, but the local government has money in their hands, if it is really not possible, it is still possible to mobilize private capital, let private capital participate in shares, and make up a mere 100 billion yuan.

"Just 1000 billion ......" Wang Zhenbin covered his cheeks and groaned, chatting with this little junior brother, he often had a feeling of wanting to have a toothache.

"Getting the local government to pay for it is also on our mind. As for private capital, it is too difficult to make up a scale of tens of billions. I know that you Xiao Feng and those private capitalists in Haidong are close, do you have a way to get them to scrape together tens of billions of dollars to build an oil refinery?" Wang Zhenbin choked.

"Is this what you said?" Feng Xiaochen said, staring at Wang Zhenbin.

"What did I say?" Wang Zhenbin was stunned.

"You said I should contact the private capitalists in Haidong, and everyone will pool their money to build a large oil refinery. ”

"This ......" Wang Zhenbin was dumbfounded, he was clearly raising the bar just now, how could the other party take it seriously. Let private capitalists raise funds to build oil refineries, does Feng Xiaochen still have this thought?