Zhang Fei pondered for a long time, picked up the coffee and tasted it, and said: "I still like that there is no sugar in the coffee, the original taste is closer to the essence." ”

When Tang Shuang heard this, he smiled, looked at him, and didn't speak, because he knew that Zhang Fei didn't want to wait for him to answer, but just started the reason.

Sure enough, Zhang Fei paused slightly, put down his coffee, and said: "I have always made realistic movies, but I am also very keen on martial arts, I still remember when I was in high school, I was 17 years old at the time, and once I found a martial arts novel at a used bookstall on the street, I probably forgot the plot, but the characters in it are still vivid and active in my mind." ”

"Looking at it now, that novel is not very well written, the middle to low level, and the protagonist in it is also very flat and symbolic, but I remember it for more than 30 years, because it was the first time I saw a martial arts novel, it was simply amazing, it was like a world opened in front of me, it turned out that outside of our world, there was such a vast, strange fantasy world. ”

Tang Shuang asked: "I don't know which martial arts novel it is, which Director Zhang will never forget?"

"That's Mr. Wolong's "Plum Blossom Knife". ”

Tang Shuang knew Wolong, he was one of the earliest authors of modern martial arts in China, and his masterpiece was "Double Knife". Many concepts in martial arts novels can now find traces in this "Double Knife".

And the "Plum Blossom Knife" that Zhang Fei mentioned is one of his early works, and the level is not in the stream now, but even if it is a work that is not in the stream, for Zhang Fei at that time, it was tantamount to breaking the earth and opening the door to the world.

Tang Shuang listened quietly, and Zhang Fei said: "That's why I chose the martial arts theme as a transformation work, and it is also a response to my dreams when I was young, if it weren't for my enthusiasm for martial arts and this confidence, I wouldn't have been able to choose a completely unfamiliar subject to do, so from this point of view, you can rest assured." ”

Zhang Fei continued: "What you just said, about other people's evaluation of "Hero", I can only say that everyone looks at the problem from a different angle, so it is inevitable to be biased, I think there is no constant boundary between the king and the knight, different eras, different people have different understandings and judgments. ”

"Have you ever heard the allusion that Tang Ju did not fail in his mission?" Zhang Fei asked Tang Shuang.

Tang Shuang: "I heard that the king of Qin wanted to exchange the land within a radius of five hundred miles for An Ling, but An Lingjun was unwilling to agree, so he sent Tang Ju to envoy Qin. ”

As soon as Tang Shuang heard Zhang Fei's words, he probably understood, but he didn't keep silent and continued to listen to Zhang Fei.

Zhang Fei: "That's right, Anling, a small country, the Qin State does not want to mobilize the people, and wants to surrender the army without a fight, so it plans to take advantage of it." An Ling did not want to lose the country, so he sent Tang Ju to envoy Qin. If you do such an errand and change to someone else, most of them will run away on the way, but Tang Ju is a chivalrous man. ”

"The king of Qin said to him, Do you know that the Son of Heaven is angry, and he has millions of corpses and sheds thousands of miles of blood. It means that not only do you not hurry up to offer the land, but instead send you to babble in front of me, if you make me unhappy, it will be the end of a river of blood, and then Anling will not only lose the country, but may also die. ”

"Tang Ju said, that king, do you know the anger of Buyi. King Qin said that Buyi's anger was nothing more than taking off his hat, bare feet, and hitting his head on the ground. Tang Ju said that this is the anger of metrics, not the anger of talented and courageous people. ”

"The real anger of cloth clothes is to assassinate the king of Wu, like a comet attacking the moon, it is Nie Zheng who stabs Han puppet, like a white rainbow through the sun, and it is to leave the thorn Qingji, like an eagle striking the palace. ”

Tang Ju said impassionedly, the real chivalrous anger, the two corpses, bleeding five steps, the world is vegetarian. With that, he stood up with his sword. King Qin's color changed, and he knelt down and thanked him, saying that Korea and Wei were destroyed, and Anling could be preserved by virtue of the land within a radius of fifty miles. ”

After Zhang Fei finished speaking, he looked directly into Tang Shuang's eyes, and said impassionedly: "This is a chivalrous man!" The story of "Hero" is so similar to Tang Ju's allusion to his mission, King Qin was shocked by Tang Ju's wit and bravery, and King Qin was also shocked by the righteousness and courage of nameless, remnant sword and others, so King Qin in "Hero" was arrogant and domineering at the beginning, and finally became calm and awake. ”

Zhang Fei continued: "This is the hero who has the world in mind, whether it is nameless, the remnant sword, or the king of Qin, they all stand together for the world, the great man of chivalry, for the livelihood of the people, not for some petty grudges, for the so-called first in the world, fight for the first place in the world, fight to the death, where can such a person be called a hero, and he has insulted the prestige of the hero." ”

"Those who say that "Hero" has caused the collapse of the value system in the martial arts world are just the nonsense of short-sighted and short-minded people! A villain! Who is qualified to discuss martial arts! What qualifications do such people have to discuss "Heroes"! Your novels are not for them to read! My movies are never made for them to see! Why should such people bother to care! Wolves howl and dogs bark ......"

At this moment, Zhang Fei is full of domineering, this is the momentum that breeds from being in power all year round, as if he is the chivalrous man in his mouth, and he wants to correct the name of the knights in the world!

Tang Shuang applauded and said with a smile: "Director Zhang said well! What do you think the hero should be?"

Zhang Fei: "A real chivalrous warrior, a real hero, is not invincible in martial arts, nor is it overwhelmed by merit, but he has the world in his heart and serves the country with virtue." In the novel "Hero", Nameless was killed by random arrows, which was actually the failure of the goal of Changkong and Flying Snow to stab Qin, but the victory of King Qin was also the victory of Nameless and Remnant Sword to fulfill King Qin's righteous idea of serving the world, the former is a personal grudge, and the latter is a livelihood for the world. ”

"In my eyes, the remnant sword and the nameless are the real heroes, the heroes of righteousness, and the King of Qin is the hope of these heroes......"

Zhang Fei obviously has a deep study of "Hero", his understanding of this novel is basically the same as Tang Shuang, and it is very rare for him and Zhang Fei to find a director with the same concept.

But Zhang Fei still has something to say: "Do you know, in fact, the story in the novel "Hero" is dispensable to me. As a director, it's very easy to make up a story, even much more exciting than yours. ”

Tang Shuang smiled and said nothing, not a little angry, he was very curious, since Zhang Fei didn't care about the story of "Hero", what did he like.

Zhang Fei: "What I want is the ideas in "Hero", such as your discussion of bloodline and tradition in the novel, I like it very much. ”

"You think that King Qin is a leader in the combination of bloodline and tradition, and King Qin will carry forward the shrewd and strong forbearance bloodline from Lü Buwei, but the reason why King Qin breeds the arrogance of looking down on the world is mostly from the tradition of the royal family. Similarly, the reason why the remnant sword can become a model for swordsmen in the world is because he shoulders the tradition of chivalry. ”

"There's a lot of these flashes of thought in Heroes, and they've been inspiring me, and they're like yeast with which the dough rises. ”