Zhang Xingming said: "In my country, we call public ownership a big pot of rice, everyone eats together, no matter how much you pay, it makes no difference, and then the positive also loses the positive motivation, and in the end everyone is almost the same, get by and live a mixed life, where is the vitality of such an enterprise? So our country is also reforming now, and is carrying out limited privatization." ”

Vladimir asked: "Limited?"

Zhang Xingming said: "Yes, limited. My country is so big, and it's not just about the land, it's about the population. Therefore, some things related to people's livelihood must be grasped by the country, such as energy finance and intensive enterprises. Each country has its own characteristics, like you, the federation is not big except for Mao, but even the population of Maoism is not so large, so privatization can promote development and increase taxes. ”

Vladimir asked: "Why does privatization promote development? Isn't it easier to develop under state control?"

Zhang Xingming shook his head and said, "What enterprises need is competitiveness. If a privatized enterprise loses its competitiveness, the enterprise will not survive, and the enterprise is the life of the boss, who must continue to innovate and strive to maintain his vitality. Public ownership, on the other hand, is the opposite, everyone earns wages, even if the enterprise loses its competitiveness, the state is still in charge, and even if the enterprise is disbanded, the cadres are still cadres. ”

Vladimir thought for a moment and asked: "Isn't there any harm in privatizing it completely?"

Zhang Xingming said: "Yes. You have to pay attention to several aspects, one is the way of acquisition, using various means to buy an enterprise worth 10,000 rubles for one ruble, which is a problem that will definitely be faced. Now there are many such phenomena in my country, although the individual value is not large, but the total volume is quite amazing.

The second is the problem of monopolies, where privatized companies must have similar competitors in order for the market to enter a healthy state, and if a company is dominant or has no rivals at all, then it is better to be publicly owned, because the consequences are worse. Then there is the collusion between officials and businessmen, which is also an inevitable long-term problem, a big problem. ”

Vladimir rubbed his hair and thought for a while, nodded and said: "It seems that a tough supervisory body and management system are needed. ”

Zhang Xingming said: "Reasonable industry distribution, reasonable management policies, open market environment, fair trade system, this is what a country or region needs for economic development, if coupled with a strong military force, that is a country's confidence to the outside world." ”

Vladimir asked: "So, what do you think about overseas investment?"

Zhang Xingming asked: "Do you mean, for example, that I came to you to invest?"

Vladimir nodded and said, "Yes, I would like to hear your opinion." ”

Zhang Xingming said: "Actually, judging the quality of an enterprise only needs to look at its development prospects, the amount of employment, tax revenue, social contributions, etc., as for who invests in these things, is it so important? I have investment enterprises in many countries, in fact, except for our socialist countries, no one cares whose enterprise it owns, he only cares about how much tax it collects, how many people can get jobs, I think this is correct. ”

Vladimir frowned and thought for a moment and said, "Will this involve national security, or financial security? How can we ensure that technology does not leak out?"

Zhang Xingming asked: "Do you mean the current privatization of Soviet and Russian enterprises?"

Vladimir nodded. Zhang Xingming thought for a while and said: "Actually, I don't know how to say about this, everyone's perspective is different. However, I think that the enterprises should be separated from the military industry, and the military industry should be in the hands of the government, or a reliable third party should be introduced. And the civil part is not so strict, as long as the patent is protected. The development of technology lies in the development and utilization of mutual promotion, and it is not a clever idea to hold it in your hands. ”

Vladimir frowned and thought for a while, shook his head and said: "A country, or a people, must have something unique and unique of its own. Character, expression, attitude towards the world, but also military industry, strength and science and technology. I think companies should also have a personality, uniqueness, self-esteem or tolerance. If you think only about capital, you may lose more than you gain. ”

Zhang Xingming said: "On the question of perspective, in fact, I also identify with some things of the nation, the characteristics of the self or consciousness. But a country or a nation cannot survive in this world alone, it must integrate and communicate. Whether it is a country or a nation, it must first be able to survive and have no worries about food and clothing, and then it is possible to discuss what you are talking about, uniqueness.

If, I mean, if the Russian Federation ceased to exist and everyone ran their own small countries, then Valodya, how many do you think these nations or countries that coexist under the banner of Soviet Russia can completely maintain their own unique independence?

Again, as I said, you have to be able to survive first. There is all kinds of hope to live. After the problem of survival is solved, after we have a certain amount of capital and strength, it is not too late to consider the national character you are talking about. Is it true that if an enterprise or industry is in the hands of a foreigner, there is no national character? I don't think we can say the same at all, but it mainly depends on the social effect of the enterprise. ”

Vladimir nodded slowly and said, "You are right, you have to live, and there is hope if you live." Privatization is a way to rejuvenate a company or factory in the shortest possible time, and I still know and agree with this. But I'm always worried that excessive privatization will affect the country. When capital or money reaches a certain height, how much will man's ego swell? Will he still be satisfied with an enterprise?"

Zhang Xingming said: "The state and enterprises are actually two things that are interdependent and mutually reinforcing, and there must always be a balance in between, but in fact this balance is in the hands of the government, no matter how big the capital is, it will always drive the weak party in front of the government, this is a definite fact, so what else do you have to worry about?"

Vladimir said: "You mean a strong system of supervision and military power?"

Zhang Xingming said: "Yes, as long as you hold these two things in your hands, what is there to worry about?"

Vladimir thought for a moment and said: "International influence, if a country behaves too centralized, if it gives world capital a signal of insecurity, it is extremely dangerous. ”