Chapter 504: Cooperation and Competition
Wang Yun said proudly: "What we do is cheap staple fiber, although the strength is weaker, but it also has advantages. In addition to the functions of thermal conductivity and electromagnetic shielding, the chemical resistance of the Hua 100 carbon fiber we made has also been improved. I dare to say that Toray's same type of asphalt-based carbon fiber, even if it is stronger than us, is not much stronger. ”
If you were a researcher in the 70s, you would be embarrassed not to say that you were the best in the world. However, in the 90s, it has been clear that backward researchers, even when they say bold words, they will leave some leeway, Wang Yun's mentality is very subtle, he is very confident, but he is worried that companies in developed countries will have more than imaginary technical reserves, and the confidence to speak is insufficient.
Sioux City is not a real researcher, and he didn't have time to experience such emotions, but he grasped the key point and asked, "How do you achieve one-tenth of the cost? What is the cost of raw materials?"
Wang Yun's mood was in the middle, he was stunned for a while by what he said, shook his head on the other end of the phone, and said: "I use ethylene cracking tar as raw materials, from atmospheric and vacuum steps to spinnable asphalt, all of which are made by our researchers themselves, and there is not much cost, even if it is produced in a factory, I don't estimate that it will take much money." ”
Su Cheng suddenly said: "This is much cheaper than the carbon fiber of polyacrylonitrile." ”
"That's not it. Wang Yunle laughed out loud.
Polyacrylonitrile is also a difficult chemical raw material, which is a kind of chemical fiber, but it is much more difficult than ordinary chemical fiber, at least in China, it takes more than 10 years of development to gradually mass produce this important raw material. In the production process of carbon fiber, polyacrylonitrile is the main cost, often reaching more than two-thirds, if it is not asphalt-based carbon fiber, want to significantly reduce the cost. The investment will be multiplied.
It is estimated that it will take a long time to imitate the polyacrylonitrile that is used together.
Therefore, Chinese researchers, who seem to breathe as naturally as controlling costs, used asphalt-based carbon fiber at the beginning of the project. After completion, although the application range of asphalt-based carbon fiber is not as good as that of polyacrylonitrile, it finally solves the problem of presence and non-existence.
Sioux City doesn't care about the use of asphalt-based carbon fiber. Judging from the development of later generations, it doesn't matter what quality carbon fiber is, as long as the price is right. There's nothing you can't sell. The simplest analogy is that some of the big dogs who buy carbon fiber tennis rackets and carbon fiber bikes know the tensile strength and modulus, and a few know the difference between the strength and modulus of carbon fiber.
Basking in the joy of success for a moment, Sioux City thought of an important question. "What about the yield? How much can you produce per month?"
"The current goal is 10 tons a month. Wang Yunle smacked his lips and said, "I estimate that it is a little difficult to sell for 30,000 yen, and it is not difficult to sell 20,000 yen." 1 ton is 20 million yen, and it is a bit early to say that it is a bit early to recover the investment in the laboratory, and it is estimated that there is no problem with maintaining the funds. In fact. If you put in more, you will recycle faster......"
This is the old routine of asking for funds, and when something is made and spoken, the effect will obviously be much better.
However. Sioux City was shocked by 10 tons.
Can the output of 10 tons be regarded as factory production?
The tofu workshop in the countryside makes more tofu in a month than this.
Of course, carbon fiber is a little more difficult to make than tofu...... But that's far from Sioux City's ideal capacity. It's not a star.
"How long will it take to raise it to 50 tons?" asked Sioux City with difficulty.
50 tons can't be said to be much. At this time, the carbon fiber company, a factory with an annual output of more than 100 tons is considered normal, and the entire company with an annual output of several thousand tons is considered a promising company. The carbon fiber factory with an annual output of 600 tons is probably slightly higher than the qualified line.
Such a standard, if it is used in steel and other industries, I am afraid that it is not even a small steel mill, and the loss is that the unit price of carbon fiber is high enough to maintain the scale of a high-tech company.
Wang Yun didn't expect that Su Cheng's vision would have been placed in ten or twenty years later, and he snorted for a long time over the phone, saying: "A monthly output of 50 tons is actually our goal in the next stage, and it is relatively difficult to achieve now." In fact, the price of carbon fiber per ton is now more than 200,000 US dollars, and 10 tons of carbon fiber per month is still some money. ”
"Well, that's pretty good. Su Cheng suddenly came to his senses and praised: "It's me who is in a hurry, and you are still doing very well." In fact, one of Haliburton's vice presidents offered to buy all of our carbon fiber, what do you think about that?"
Wang Yun smiled silently and said: "Su Dong, even if the factory is open, the monthly output of 10 tons of carbon fiber is estimated to be used by ourselves, but as long as you give me funds, I don't care where the carbon fiber goes." ”
As soon as his voice fell, the other end of the phone called: "Wait! You don't care about me, these carbon fibers, our shipping company has paid for them." ”
"Xiao Yan, is it?" Su Cheng couldn't hear the voice clearly, but when he heard the shipping company, he knew that it was Yan Xuecan.
"It's me, hello Su Dong. Yan Xuecan smiled, he was a middle and high-level in Dahua Industry, but because of his young age, some of them were cute, so he grabbed the microphone and said: "Su Dong, our LNG ship is progressing smoothly, and in terms of production technology, 95% of the problems have been solved." However, we still hope to be as domestic as possible, for example, we want to use our own carbon fiber for compressed natural gas tanks, and this can also effectively reduce the cost of LNG ships. Therefore, we would like to prioritize the procurement of carbon fiber within the group......"
"Dahua Shipbuilding Company and Dahua Laboratory are affiliated companies, and it is okay to sell first, but it is not okay to sell cheaply, so even if you want to reduce costs, you can only buy at the market price. Su Cheng said with a deep groan. Although Dahua Shipbuilding belongs to Sioux City, many of Dahua Shipbuilding's outsourcing projects are given to factories affiliated to CSSC, and even if 20% of the shares of these factories are transferred to Dahua Industrial, they cannot be regarded as companies under Dahua Industrial, but peripheral companies with a low degree of relevance. Therefore, it is impossible for there to be a state-owned enterprise-style allocation in Dahua Industrial, that is, the pricing mechanism is carried out with the market.
Yan Xuecan agreed, and said: "As long as you don't say that you can sell all the carbon fiber to other companies, it is at a price of 200,000 US dollars a ton, which is more cost-effective than what we purchased from outside." ”
Sioux City let out an "um". Wang Yun was replaced, let him continue to promote research and development, and promised an additional fund of 10 million yuan, which ended the long international roaming and returned to Nazarbayev's presidential office.
Timsi sat on the right side of the door, and when he opened the door, he smiled like a rabbit and chatted with Nazarbayev in Russian. That alone impressed Sioux City, who was not a professional Russian regional worker, for most of his early years. They are all used in Spanish-speaking countries, but looking at his Russian, it is comparable to that of a local, and the foreign language that can chat, fart, and jokes is already high-end in China. Falling on Timsey, the vice president, feels somewhat wasteful.
Companies such as Haliburton, which have branches in more than 80 countries and regions and operations in almost 200 countries around the world, can be said to be truly multinational. Compared with Dahua Industrial, the least thing they do is that they can find employees in the company who speak dozens of languages. This kind of heritage, let alone Dahua Industry, may not be available in China. Therefore, Dahua Industrial has not been able to internationalize so far. It is even more difficult to make money from foreigners through commercial means.
"Is Su Dong ready to decide?" Timsi finished his sentence and turned to Su Cheng.
Nazarbayev also took the opportunity to look over.
Su Cheng smiled and said, "Dahua Industry is ready to digest this batch of carbon fibers internally." ”
"It's a shame. Timosey didn't seem surprised. He continued: "The newly developed materials will not be too high in the early production capacity. But. Japanese companies have gone far in carbon fiber, and the cost is falling very quickly, and if the speed of conversion is too slow, the original cost advantage may be strongly challenged. ”
"It's good that Mr. President can understand. Sioux City pretended not to understand his subtext.
Timosi is not as restrained as the Chinese, laughed, and said cheekily: "I'm worried about you, low-cost high-tech products have always been a problem in promotion and sales." Now it seems that it is the cost of the advantage, if it is not quickly used, the advantage will soon disappear, then, the previous technology investment has been wasted, the worst part is that such technology will often attract technology investment, but the investment is often difficult to produce the same effect. ”
I have to admit that Timsey's words are very insightful and belong to experience. Sioux City didn't promise an investment of 10 million just now, and from the perspective of profits, the first month or two would be considered blind. If foreign companies really have technical reserves, two months is enough for them to sort out and release, in the fierce business competition, such technical reserves, often can kill small companies with one blow, especially those small high-tech companies that rely on loans to survive in the early stage, before the product is produced, creditors can still wait with peace of mind, but once the product is denied by the market, the mood is very different, and there are very few people who are willing to wait for another round of products to be released.
Although Dahua Industrial will not fall into the category of being easily killed, if the carbon fiber project is not profitable for a long time, there is still a possibility of being shelved. There are many high-tech in the world, and you can't hang yourself on a tree.
Therefore, taking advantage of the first few months and striving for profits is the common rule in the high-tech industry.
Timsey grasped this and looked at Sioux City's expression and said: "Haliburton's carbon fiber consumption is very large, if there can be cheap carbon fiber, whether it is hundreds of tons or thousands of tons, we can all be surprised." Please consider it carefully. ”
"Of course, if we get more capacity, we're definitely going to prioritise Haliburton. ”
"Actually, Haliburton has a lot of experience in laboratory factoryization, is Dahua Industrial willing to cooperate with us in production?" This is also considered to be a large company, and it is a Chinese company, otherwise the proposal to acquire the company directly would have appeared. For a company like Haliburton, $5 billion in the annual budget is used to buy the company, which is not enough to buy a wholly-owned company or department, and it is too much to buy an affiliated company or department. With Haliburton's strength, Timsey's confidence is very strong.
In front of President Nazarbayev, Sioux City was not ready to talk in detail, and Haliburton's vice president could not care if Nazarbayev's time was wasted, and Sioux City could not think about it, he smiled: "We also believe in Haliburton's technology, but I know too little about the situation to make a decision." ”
Timsey didn't care, and laughed and moved on to something else. He just wanted to give Sioux City a shot before he returned home for a meeting, telling him that Haliburton was interested in the technology, lest other companies suddenly come out and cut it off.
After a few words, the two said goodbye to Nazarbayev in a playful manner, and His Excellency the President sent them to the door. Ayiman was already depressed, and he was afraid that his father would continue to reprimand, so he followed the two out, walked on Timsi's side, and soon told his beloved story about the fashion industry.
Su Cheng was so safe that he was suddenly stopped when he was about to leave.
The first to answer was Ayiman, who shouted in surprise and embarrassment, "Vedri?"
Standing next to a Bentley was none other than Vedry.
"Why are you here?" Ayiman looked at Timsi with some apprehension, for fear that Vedri had come to ask the teacher for his guilt. In the banquet in front, it was Ayiman's lining that was lost, and it was also Wedri's face. Based on Ayiman's understanding of Vedri, this guy loves face as much as he does.
People in the fashion industry are not playing with face.
Equally embarrassed, Waderi posed in the traditional British pose, and said, "I came with Mr. Ducat." ”
"Huh?"
This is Mr. Ducat, the technical director of bp. Vedri introduced the old man in a three-piece suit at the back of the car.
Timsey clearly knew Ducat, his eyes narrowed like a cat.
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