Yang Zhengxiong was standing beside Li Tianyi, and his expression was also very solemn.

After watching it for an hour, Yang Zhengxiong said in a deep voice: "Secretary Li, today's interrogation is not easy. Whether it was Lin Pengtao or Jia Gaoming, they all showed a posture of resisting interrogation. Secretary Li, see which of the three groups will be the first to complete the task. I think Yang Furong and their group are the most likely. ”

Li Tianyi shook his head lightly and said: "Judging from the situation in front of us, in the first stage of the interrogation, only Yang Furong and their team initially gained Luo Changsheng's trust and explained a little problem.

But in fact, this Luo Changsheng is very cunning, his current approach is to avoid the important and light, I estimate that Yang Furong and their next stage of training will be extremely difficult.

Therefore, Yang Furong and their group can only be regarded as temporarily leading. ”

Yang Zhengxiong heard Li Tianyi say this, his face showed a look of astonishment, he really didn't see what Li Tianyi said.

Li Tianyi continued: "For Wang Liqian and Zhang Tao, although they did not have a good start, once they made a breakthrough in these two groups, it is very likely that they will enter a thousand miles and directly break through the opponent's comprehensive defense."

Lao Yang, you have also worked in the Commission for Discipline Inspection for a long time, how much do you know about how interrogators can gain the trust of the interrogators? ”

Yang Zhengxiong said with a wry smile: "Secretary Li, as far as I know, to gain the trust of the interrogated, in the usual practice of our Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection and Supervision Commission, a total of six methods have been summed up. They are the method of reprimand, the method of greeting, the method of borrowing, the method of adaptation, the method of substitution, and the method of suggestion.

However, I have only used two or three of these six methods when I was working at the grassroots level before, but in recent years, I have lost a lot of these skills because of administrative work.

Secretary Li, I think both groups seem to have adopted some methods, but they are not satisfactory. Why do you say that?"

Li Tianyi said with a smile: "Wang Liqian's group used the greeting method and the substitution method today, but it had little effect, while Zhang Tao's group used the suggestion method and the reprimand method, which were also ineffective. ”

Yang Zhengxiong said: "Secretary Li, I have long heard that you are erudite and talented, especially the last time you personally went out in the case of your Food and Drug Administration, and the results were remarkable, can you explain to me how these methods should be used?"

Li Tianyi said with a smile: "As the name suggests, the reprimand method is the meaning of reprimand, and its essence can be called a set of almost. His purpose is to bring the interrogator closer to the interrogator and the interrogated person, and to act according to the will of the interrogator. It is characterized by superficial criticism and reprimand, but in fact the interrogated person feels that the interrogator is helping him, and then enlightens the other party through this suggestion, so that the other party thinks that the interrogator helps him to benefit him. This approach can set aside the special antagonistic position of the interrogator and the person being interrogated, and then respond to the needs of the other person's heart by assuming a close relationship.

As for the method of greetings, it is to show concern to others, to approach the other party through the method of greetings, to eliminate the other party's suspicion, vigilance and nervousness, and to establish the basis of the conversation as quickly as possible. When using it, it generally does not directly cut into the theme of practice, but starts from the family routine, and creates an atmosphere conducive to the interrogator's teaching team by understanding the family situation of the interrogator. This is a form of interrogation that uses greetings as a smokescreen, and if the other party does not know what is the plan, he will fall into a trap.

Sometimes, this method can get miraculous results, but in the face of those who are determined, it may not work.

To borrow the law is to first use the power of others to deter the other party and make them fall into trouble, and then help the other party unexpectedly to make them grateful to you, the purpose is to achieve the goal of getting close to the other party, and finally controlling and controlling the other party. The key to the success of this method is to use the strength and coercion of others to make them grateful. The interrogators must carefully create a sense of being on the verge of crisis for the other party with good intentions in advance. There must be a certain degree of concealment and confusion in order to be effective when pulling.

The workaround is to avoid words that the person being interrogated does not want to hear, and not to involve events during the interrogation operation, so as to avoid causing psychological pressure and psychological disorders. This results in the person being questioned crossing the bridge without knowing that there is water under the bridge.

For example, a certain leading cadre took advantage of his authority to promote a group of cadres, and these cadres gave generous gifts in order to express their gratitude. Then, during the interrogation, this leading cadre confessed to the generous gifts he could not receive, and he was sorry for the recipients. The legal term bribery is a confrontational and negative attitude. In this case, we only need him to admit that he has received money, because as long as he admits to accepting money from others, it is equivalent to successfully admitting that he has received money. Bribery. The purpose of this adaptation is to meet the psychological needs of the person being interrogated, and then to shorten the psychological distance between the person being interrogated and to establish a basis for mutual communication.

Therefore, the staff members of our Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection must pay attention to observing and understanding the personality characteristics of the person being interrogated, and then decide what kind of ways and methods to adopt. ”

Hearing this, Yang Zhengxiong recalled some of the interrogation methods he had adopted when he was working at the grassroots level, and his heart was full of admiration for Li Tianyi.

I may take some ways in my actual work because of the needs of my work, but this way is often the result of contemplation and hard thinking, and there is no practical theoretical guidance.

But now, Li Tianyi is just sitting here quietly, and he can lightly explain the details of how to approach the interrogated personnel in the work of the Discipline Inspection Commission, which fully proves that Li Tianyi, the leader, is really a leader who understands business.

Yang Zhengxiong then asked, "Secretary Li, what about the substitution method and the suggestion method?"

Li Tianyi said: "The substitution method is a method used to replace one's own position, replacing oneself from an interrogation officer with a stern attitude on the interrogation stage to a helper of the person being interrogated. This method can determine the role and tone of one's replacement based on the difference between the age of the person being interrogated and one's own age. For example, if the person being interrogated is younger than you, you can call him an older brother. The substitution method is not only to solve the problem of salutation, but also to create an emotional illusion through the salutation, so that the interrogator can approach the interrogated person as soon as possible, and get close to the emotions and psychology of the interrogated person.

The suggestion method is the use of psychological suggestion to make the interrogated person regard the interrogator as his own, so as to gain the trust of the interrogated person.

In the course of our actual case-handling, most of the interrogated persons always have to intercede with someone after the case is discovered, in an attempt to exonerate themselves for their crimes, and our interrogators should make full use of this abnormal phenomenon, so that the interrogated person can misunderstand that the interrogator has been bribed and become his own person, and hint at the interrogated person so that he knows what to expect. And then achieve the goal of persuading the other party.

When using this method, if the person being interrogated believes that the person being interrogated has a basic understanding of the whole case, and also has a clear understanding of the family situation of the person being questioned, otherwise this kind of implication method cannot be discussed, let alone the trust of the person being trusted. ”

After Li Tianyi finished speaking, Yang Zhengxiong's eyes looking at Li Tianyi were full of respect.

People always admire people who are stronger than themselves, and at this moment, Yang Zhengxiong has to admit that Li Tianyi was able to become the secretary of the Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection at such a young age, and it is not only the nepotism that some people in Jiangnan Province say, but his real strength.

Yang Zhengxiong pondered for a moment and then said, "Secretary Li, look at the situation of these three groups in front of you, how should they achieve the final breakthrough?"

Li Tianyi said with a smile: "In the actual work of our Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection and the Supervision Commission, the refusal to confess like Lin Pengtao and Jia Gaoming actually revolves around the three interests of material interests, political interests and spiritual interests, and they refuse to confess for the sake of these three interests. In fact, this is the nature of human beings to seek advantages and avoid disadvantages.

The interrogators' choice to refuse to confess is based on conditional confrontation, and this condition is that they believe that the facts of their crimes have not yet been exposed, and if the facts of their crimes have already been clarified by the investigating organs, even if they do not confess truthfully, it will not affect the punishment imposed on them by the supervision organs, and if they cannot escape the consequences of their losses, they will lose the conditions for confrontation, and they will naturally give up confrontation.

Therefore, the task of the inspection team of our Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection is very arduous at present.

And that's why, I secretly asked someone from the Discipline Enforcement Office to come and assist the three teams to carry out their work simultaneously.

Although the materials we have in our hands are enough to prove that all three of them have problems, the materials we have are not enough to directly take them out and smash them to the extent that they have to confess their crimes.

Therefore, at present, we must be prepared with two hands, on the one hand, through their current conversational behavior, try our best to break through the psychological defense of these people and make them explain their problems, and on the other hand, through external investigation, obtain sufficient evidence, and then force them to explain their problems. The combination of inside and outside, the inside and outside can achieve the ultimate goal. ”

When Yang Zhengxiong heard this, he nodded deeply.

When he received Li Tianyi's instructions to personally go to the deputy directors of the three supervision offices and ask them to personally lead the team to Taozhou City, Yang Zhengxiong still didn't understand the purpose of Li Tianyi's approach, but now he finally understood.

From this point of view, Secretary Li has long been mentally prepared for how to win the battle of discipline inspection and supervision in Taozhou City.

Li Tianyi smiled again and said: "Lao Yang, if you want to give up the administrative route one day and take the business route, I can satisfy you, but now, you must carefully observe the subtle facial expressions of those interrogated people, because through their expressions, you can interpret their true thoughts in their hearts at this moment." ”

Yang Zhengxiong was stunned for a moment, the level of the realm that Li Tianyi said was relatively high, and in Yang Zhengxiong's view, even those discipline inspection and supervision backbones who often struggle on the front line of actual combat may not be able to reach such a realm.

Subsequently, Li Tianyi began to interpret the thoughts of Lin Pengtao and Jia Gaoming for Yang Zhengxiong at this moment.

Li Tianyi pointed at Jia Gaoming and said: "Lao Yang, have you seen it, Jia Gouming's eyes are slanted at the moment, which shows that she is full of contempt and contempt for Zhang Tao, you are looking at his eyes rolling, which shows that he has tricks."

You are looking at Lin Pengtao, he touches his nose from time to time, which shows that his emotions are inconsistent with the truth in his heart, he is lying, and his nose is sweating, which shows that he is anxious and nervous. ”

After a while, Li Tianyi clinged to the screen again and said: "Look at now, Lin Pengtao is licking his lips, which shows that he is uncomfortable when he lies, and he is trying to comfort himself to calm himself......"

Li Tianyi sat in the monitoring room like this, and carried out on-site teaching for Yang Zhengxiong, Yang Zhengxiong listened to it very well, and he also had a lot of insights in his heart.

After three hours, Yang Zhengxiong said with a solemn face: "Secretary Li, so far, none of these three people have finally spoken, shouldn't you go out in person?"