Sean found that this Professor Mourning was actually very capable of pretending to be B, and his level was not low, and when he was questioned and threatened by this murderer named Ziati, Mourning said: "Maybe! We can carry more weapons!"

"Is that the weapon of the Martian?", Ziati said thoughtfully, "karma, or your black belt in judo? Do you think you are my opponent?"

Then Professor Mourning wrote: I became even more uneasy, my intuitive brain was "buzzing", and waves of fear kept coming over me, and I wished he was just joking with me, but I couldn't be sure. I don't think he dared to ignore my threats at this time, and he couldn't be completely reassured, so he continued to test me and continue to make small talk with me. My nervousness gradually returned, and I remembered the techniques I had taught my students in my hostage negotiation course: you had to keep talking to him in an emergency, and only then could you lighten the mood. So, I followed his words and told him about the weapons of the Martians, and finally, the prison guards finally came, and I was finally free.

When I was escorted downstairs by the prison guards, Ziati came over and patted me on the shoulder, and I was basically calm by this time.

"I was just joking with you. ”；

"I know!" Mourning replied, taking a deep breath.

From then on, Mourning vowed never to let himself and the other researchers in the bureau encounter this situation again, and made a rule that when he interviewed the murderer, rapist, and child abuser in the future, the two of them must go together.

And Sean followed suit. The following is what Morning wrote, describing the project of the study of the personality of the offender, almost as his child, and since its arrival in the late seventies, Professor Morning has devoted himself to raising it, devoting as much of his free time as possible to interviews, mainly interviewing male offenders. After the interview. When he handed over the rest of the work to his assistant, he sorted out his work and found that there were already more than 100 violent criminals with whom he had spoken. Mourning dares to say that he is the researcher who interviews murderers the most.

Because his efforts were eventually recognized by the Bureau of Investigation and partner institutions, and he was twice awarded the Jefferson Award to the University of Virginia, it is also evident that the FBI has a close relationship with academic institutions. And has extended its functions to the campus. Mourning sent the information gathered from the interviews to the Personality Research Program Committee, which he founded, for a systematic analysis in order to better understand the background and motives of the killers, and his original text reads: "The killers' childhood experiences, adolescence status, inner pressures, and criminal patterns mentioned in the following chapters are the result of these studies. ”；

Shaun also found that Professor Mourning found interviews with offenders to be very meaningful because they help law enforcement officers and psychologists observe offenders and allow them to directly grasp their actions, reactions, and personality changes, which is very important for law enforcement officers. In order to obtain useful information, the interviewer must take the matter very seriously. Gain the trust and respect of the other person and ask him to pour out all his thoughts to you.

In order to gain the respect of the other person, Mr. Mourning said, it was necessary to hide one's aversion to the crime, such as a murderer talking about dismembering a child's body. If you express your disgust, disgust, or frustration, they may not talk to you and will not be able to get useful information.

The best way to do this is to say to them casually, "Oh, cut off his head, what's the matter? A lot of people have done that!", so that they will tell them all the details. This method doesn't always work, for example, against casual murderers, who may be crazy. But they are not stupid, they understand the basic laws of society and will perceive that you are deliberately pandering to them.

He also believes that many interviewers are too anxious and often ask the most critical questions at the beginning, or questions that are difficult for the other party to answer, which can easily create psychological barriers for both parties and hinder the conduct of the interview. Criminals stay in prison all day, sometimes for a while, and if they feel unhappy, they won't talk to you, so you have to run for nothing. Therefore, when interviewing them, be patient, take some time to establish a rapport with them, and most importantly, let them feel that it is a good thing to confide in you the details of the crime and life experience, and once they feel this way, you will gain a lot.

When Sean saw this, he very much agreed with Professor Mourning's statement, you not only have to grasp the proportion, but also try not to show traces, this is actually simple to say, but many people use it, but it is useless! This is not actually that he has not learned solidly, but he is too eager for quick success, destroying the rhythm, or entering the main topic is a little slow, still breaking the rhythm of the conversation, only unhurriedly into the hearts of the interviewee, and when entering, it is the most difficult. Sean also believes that interviews often involve patient and polite side-tapping, closing the distance between each other and then asking the most important and difficult questions when the time is right, often protracted and sometimes requiring several repetitions to achieve the goal.

So Sean continued to look down, and then found that Mourning was in the behavioral science investigation team, and many colleagues could not complete such a task. On one occasion, one of Moning's colleagues went to interview a guy who had killed several children, and the colleague had children himself, so he revealed his true feelings from time to time, which angered the criminal. At first, the criminal asked for a cigarette and asked to open the window, but Mourning's colleague ordered him to sit down and asked him to answer the question immediately, and the two began to talk in this stiff atmosphere, and then Mourning's colleague asked him the standard question for each interview: "If you are not prosecuted, what do you want to do?" The other party said that he wanted to be an astronaut.

"Well, you'd better put a few kids in your capsule!", Mourning's colleague said to another fellow agent.

Morning saw this hostile behavior as unnecessary and made the interview unsuccessful, and the colleague soon came to see him when he returned, because he had sent him to do the interview. He frankly admits that he screwed up, and says, "I can't talk to this beast anymore!", and Mourning appreciates his frankness and honesty. Later, the colleague became an expert in another area, working in counseling and counseling at the FBI, but no longer dealing with criminals, but law enforcement officers who could not handle stress or had psychological problems.

Mourning also said later that most of the people who want to join the "Criminal Personality Research Program Committee" are people who are afraid of the serious. Because they are two very different people from violent criminals, most people are reluctant to interview notorious killers like Barson and Wizkirk, and they are reluctant to meet criminals who have committed brutal crimes. In a certain way, Mourning understood their distress. Because it takes a lot of time to prepare before entering the prison, such as reading the various files of the offender, and going through some procedures before the interview. During the formal interview, you have to meet the offender face-to-face for three or four hours, and by the time the interview is over, you may have forgotten your original goal, but there are still a bunch of reports and other tasks waiting for you to complete.

Seeing this, Sean seems to have found some clues, because he kind of knows why Theresa passed this file to himself, and let himself read it carefully. However, he did not intend to go to Theresa right now, and he thought that it was better to read the dossier. So he continued to look below, and it was still Professor Mourning's notes that Mourning wrote. In the face of such tremendous work pressure, not every colleague can persevere, and one female colleague quit after a few years because of frequent nightmares, she said that she couldn't stand the fake work with those rapists, so she applied to be transferred to another unit. There are three other colleagues who have suffered from heart disease due to constant anxiety. There are also many people who have ulcers. Mo Ning himself was also deeply tormented, Mo Ning wrote that he and three other colleagues had inexplicably lost 15 to 35 pounds in half a year, and the hospital could not determine the cause after a detailed examination, and could only determine that the disease was related to excessive work pressure.

Mourning's notes also write that there is a male agent who is even more outrageous. He did not allow other agents to contact the murderer he was responsible for, and even used this to vent his anger on Morning, and finally even told the other party some secrets of the Investigation Bureau and taught him how to reduce the death sentence. Afterwards, Mourning conducted a detailed investigation and research, and what made this agent so abnormal was that the prisoner had an extraordinary insight into human nature, and he was able to manipulate the psychology of others with this gift, and turned the agents he saw into his captives. His supervisor decided to help him, so he went with him to meet the murderer, but the supervisor could not sleep since, and often said that there was a devil with him. The detective who was captured by this criminal was grief-stricken. "This also shows that 'our' work is very dangerous, and if we are not careful, it will be doomed," Morning wrote. ”

In the following notes, Mo Ning seems to summarize how to avoid the danger of this situation, he thinks that a stable life can protect him from the influence of murderers, but Mo Ning's agent colleagues live a stable life like him, why do they do this? Mo Ning seems to be a little puzzled in the notes, and he even sighs in it: "Thinking about how much pressure I have been under since I started this job in 1978, I am glad that I have not lost my mind." ”；

Sean knew that there were many rules and restrictions on prison visits at that time, and even family members and guardians could only visit the prison through a hole in the glass or talk by telephone, with the exception of the psychologists interviewed by Morin, who could interview prisoners in the room, which made Morin's working environment much more comfortable. Sometimes the prisoners are still handcuffed when they are brought in, and Shaun noticed that when Professor Mourning encounters such a situation, he will ask the guards to uncuff the other person's handcuffs in order to gain the trust of the other party and make him open up to Mourning.

At the beginning of the interview, the inmates would ask him why the FBI agents were coming to talk to them, and then Mourning would first talk to him about himself, saying that he knew him very well, and then tell him that he was not trying to investigate a case, but wanted to study his claims.

Of course, Mo Ning never called them "rape murderers", only told him that he wanted to know more about his childhood life and life experience, and assured him that all the content of our conversations was confidential and would not be reported to other units. Mourning believes that although this is a small detail, this is what the other party is most worried about and attaches the most importance to. Because they are afraid that the prison and the prosecutor's office will catch evidence against him.

Mo Ning also said in his notes that he was lucky, perhaps because of his sincere assurance, they generally believed Mo Ning's words, and of course, Mo Ning kept his promise. Mourning would remind them to talk only about the crimes they were charged for, but not about the other crimes they had committed, because they were federal agents. Once the other party reveals that he is the murderer of an unsolved case, Mourning must put him under further investigation.

Sean was a little excited, but this excitement was based on the fact that he seemed to have seen a person's growth all the way. It's a sense of accomplishment excitement, and Sean, who has always been calm, looks down almost every ten lines. But soon, he put this excitement behind him, yes! His opponent this time was very strong, of course! This is not to say how powerful this person is, how many kinds of martial arts he knows, but to say, this person's wisdom! Therefore, Sean must bring out his usual characteristic calmness again and look down. And it's line by line.

Mourning's notes write that Barson is a "celebrity," with the exception of those in Mourning's unit. There are also many people who want to talk to Barson, not because they want to study this person, but only for their own interests, such as reporters and writers who go to interview Barson, mostly to make themselves famous and rich. But Mourning thinks it's a bit unkind to the killers, who have become a tool for others to become famous.

Mourning also wrote in his notes that Basten #Snyder, a popular TV and radio celebrity at the time, did an interview with Barson, in which he asked him how he felt when he cut someone's ear, and such questions only made Barson talk nonsense, and did not do him any good. On the contrary, it will make him feel resistant, and Mo Ning wrote: "I am sure that after that visit, Barson must have been very disgusted with Basten, and Barson must have cursed in his heart: "If this bastard dares to play with me, I will play with you!";

Mourning thinks interviews are pointless at this point because you can no longer get important information. For Basten, there may be some advantage in asking this question, because the audience and listeners are interested in the answer to this question, but Basten only satisfies the temporary interest of the audience and listeners, and is actually meaningless and worthless, and serves as a bad example for other peers. Mourning wrote: "The experience of the interview has taught me that preparation is very important, if you are not prepared, the other party may think that you are wasting their time, I have to make them feel that I am prepared, my interview is by no means perfunctory, and for me, it is also the key to whether I can gain the trust of the other party." For example, I memorize the names of people and other things in their stories beforehand, which is very helpful for the interview!";

Later, Mourning also gave a vivid example in his notes: once Barson said in an interview with Mourning: "At that time, Bobby took me to meet a couple of drug dealers!".

Mourning immediately interjected: "Is it Bobby #Baoyu?".

"Yes!" he was visibly surprised, but also a little admired, he knew that Mo Ning had prepared it carefully. In addition to making him not lie to himself, it also made him feel that Mourning valued him.

Mourning was sure that Basson was either silent or talking nonsense when he was interviewed by Basten, but the results would have been different if he had faced someone who respected him, and the interviewer would have learned something that other law enforcement officers had never known about. Of course, the most important thing about preparing is to make the conversation go smoothly with "our".

Sean also found in his notes that, in addition to being prepared, Mourning would try to dig out some of the positives about the killers and their experiences. For example, Mourning writes later, a killer like Barson, it's hard to find positive things in him, but Mourning can at least make him feel that he is still valuable, and others see him as useless, but he can get some kind of affirmation from Mourning. And Mourning apparently succeeded, because what followed was the record: Basson also began to complain to himself, saying that he was not at the scene at the time of the crime, that he had been wrongfully imprisoned, and that he even tried to convince Mourning that he was innocent.

Barson gave Morning an analogy, if you turn the negatives upside down, the washed out photos will be upside down, he said that this society is the negative, and he is the reflection of this society, and what he does is just a projection of the dark side of society.

In the end, Professor Mourning concluded that the main reason why Barson became a murderous demon was his rough childhood. In the first 32 years of his life, he spent 20 years in juvenile correctional institutions and prisons alone. From the time he was a teenager to serve his sentence at Alcatraz California, he almost never enjoyed his freedom, and he would spend the rest of his life in prison, and there were many who, like Barson, started committing crimes in their teens, and by the time they were in their thirties, they were already veterans of anti-social criminals, and their criminalization would last until the day of death. Barson, who is squatting in prison, looks very thin, more than 70 meters tall, weighs more than 100 pounds, he is very emotional, but he learned to play the guitar in prison, and occasionally composes music, and he plans to become a musician after he is released from prison.

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