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When readers expressed their opinions on "Those Things in the Ming Dynasty", Shen Zhe met Qi Siyuan in a coffee house in Yanjing.

A 37-8-year-old male journalist who works for People.

Dark suit, white shirt, no tie, carrying the kind of shoulder bag that can only fit Wen jiàn, capable and traditional image.

After examining each other, Qi Siyuan smiled first.

"Drink something?"

"Tea bar. Shen Zhe also said with a smile.

"Well, I'm the same, then two cups of green tea, healthy. Qi Siyuan said to the waiter.

The waiter's face was strange.

"I thought professionals loved coffee. ”

"Some are for refreshment, some are for the sake of showing the taste of life, I am a layman, and if you refresh yourself, tea will have the same effect. ”

"I'm more vulgar than you!"

"Haha......"

"Before we begin, let's talk about it," Qi Siyuan took out his notepad, put it aside, and stretched out four fingers, "Your book sold more than four million copies in the first month, becoming the best-selling history book so far, how do you feel?

"I'm really famous, don't record this paragraph?" asked Shen Zhe with a smile.

"Don't record, you see, know you don't like to show your face in public, you don't have a computer, a voice recorder. ”

"Then I'll talk about it," Shen Zhe organized the language, "I can understand when I see that those seniors are very dissatisfied, after all, it is the field they have invested all their lives in, and it has been made into a different shape." It's not to be angry, because many people in the world have reasons why they don't like you, and becoming famous too early is one of the most reasonable, which should be understood. ”

"Just a little resentful?"

"It's not resentment, it's grievance......" Shen Zhe made a joke.

The middle-aged reporter sighed: "We are different from the West, and we have the opposite view of becoming famous at a young age. ”

"There is naturally a difference between taking people as a bond and taking interests as a link. ”

Qi Siyuan glanced at Shen Zhe strangely, and then the waiter came up and put two cups of green tea in front of them, and the conversation paused.

Waiting for the waiter to retreat, Qi Siyuan said: "Okay, at least I have some understanding of you, I was worried that there would be obstacles to communication with young people, but now it seems completely unnecessary." First of all, I would like to remind you that this interview is mainly to express your personal views on historical research, and "People" is only concerned with the academic aspect, and will not pay much attention to the characters themselves. ”

"This one is the best. ”

Qi Siyuan opened the notepad and said only after it was ready: "First of all, there is a question that everyone is most concerned about, when did you start studying history?"

Shen Zhe hesitated.

Saying that three-year-olds is definitely not good, it will scare people, and late-maturing children are still breastfeeding.

"Let's graduate from elementary school. ”

Qi Siyuan entered the role of a reporter, quickly recorded Shen Zhe's words while listening, and looked up at Shen Zhe.

"Do you agree with "Those Things in the Ming Dynasty"?"

This is the biggest problem faced by the original author of that time and space, if you admit it, there is no more controversy, but what this book does is the role of popular science history.

"It's not history, it's not, it doesn't matter to me. Shen Zhe shook his head and said.

"Good and evil?"

"Think so. ”

……

Next, the more than two-hour interview is all about Shen Zhe's views on history.

In fact, Shen Zhe, who lives through the tide of history and experienced the baptism of historical nihilism, where can he still have views that can be recognized by the historical community.

At that time, the tributaries were regarded as the mainstream, the romance and the truth, and the time traveled back to ancient times to change history...... In the test paper, there is even the answer of "Wei Xiaobao signed the Treaty of Nebuchu", I don't know if there will be such a strange primary school student in China in the future.

Fortunately, he has the support of a world researcher.

In the interview, Shen Zhe also explained that "all qiē history is contemporary history".

"Historical writings are all histories created by researchers. ”

Qi Siyuan was a little moved, Shen Zhe's words were enough to make those old scholars who "restore the truth" crooked their noses.

What has happened is in the past and cannot be repeated.

Therefore, the works created by scholars and authors are all described and inducted, and are different from or even contrary to real history.

Whether you admit it or not, all historical books, ancient and modern, do not include the researcher's own position, viewpoint, and feelings. The purpose of Taishi's "Historical Records" is to study the changes of heaven and man, through the changes of the past and the present, and become the words of a family.

"Taishi Gong Said", "Chen Guang Said" in "Zizhi Tongjian", ...... All express personal opinions.

There are many factors that make it impossible to restore the "historical truth", such as the limitations of historical data, the position and level of researchers......

In the end, Shen Zhe threw out Collingwood's "a qiē history is a history of ideas".

"The study of history has two uses. Shen Zhe stretched out two fingers.

"First, it should be applied in the present and learn from history. ”

"The second is to serve as a carrier to pass on ideas and influence future generations. ”

……

Qi Siyuan closed the notepad with an incredulous expression.

This is not the humorous and funny style in "Those Things in the Ming Dynasty", but belongs to the serious academic category.

"I started studying history at the age of ten, and if I had some doubts just now, now I have to believe, why didn't you take the history department?"

"Research is a hobby, and a lifetime of research is torture. Shen Zhe said with a smile.

"This is young and playful, right?" Qi Siyuan shook his head slightly, "But I can already imagine that after this interview is published, it will definitely set off a ten-magnitude earthquake in the historical circles!"

Shen Zhe smiled and didn't say anything.

After talking for a long time, they are all the academic achievements of famous historians in that time and space, although scattered, but the center is very clear.

-- Adhere to the practical idea of history and oppose research for the sake of research

Like the pen name of the original author - the bright moon was there at that time, and the clouds returned

What history is like is known only to the moon.

……

The controversy over "Those Things in the Ming Dynasty" continues.

The happiest is the staff of Oriental Culture, the more controversial the higher the sales, and it looks like it is about to break the 5 million mark.

Shen Zhe was also a little surprised, thought about it, and guessed that there might be several reasons. The readership is larger, the discussion is louder, and it is not published for free through the Internet...... Looking at the shape of shì seven parts, there is no problem in breaking 50 million sales, compared with the time and space, it has increased several times.

Qi Siyuan called again and asked Shen Zhe if he needed to take some time to sort it out.

Because the interview is a form of dialogue, the content is scattered, and Shen Zhe chooses the academic views of several masters, if he doesn't point out the word "practical" at the end, he may not be able to understand what he is saying for a while.

"It's okay, it's messy, and naturally someone will sort it out. ”

Three days later, the journal People was published, which published an interview with Qi Siyuan entitled "Those Things in Historical Research".

The whole text uses the dialogue between him and Shen Zhe, and has not been modified.

Publications fly into university campuses, research institutes, ......

A college student recklessly broke into the academic world, and his words were shocked. (To be continued.) )