Xu Teng's trip to the United States was originally very simple, but there were changes in the middle, but with the arrival of Xia Li and her family, the family stayed at the Park Hyatt Hotel in Manhattan, and the itinerary was very complicated. Pen, fun, and www.biquge.info

The United States is a pure and complex money-worshipping society, in the United States, no matter what Xu Teng wants to do, every move will be followed by all the media in the United States, serious reporters, non-serious reporters are paying attention to him, reporting his past, reporting his present.

Because he ranked first on the Forbes Global Rich List in 2009 with a net worth of $175 billion, which is equivalent to the sum of the second to fifth places, and equivalent to the sum of the richest Bill Gates, Buffett, and Koch brothers in the United States.

Because he is the second-generation heir of The-ShunFamliy, it is during the four years that he has been at the helm of the family business that The-ShunFamliy's assets have reached their peak, and the money and power have penetrated deep into Wall Street and Silicon Valley.

August 30th.

He was interviewed by CBS's "60 Minutes" program, which was also his first time participating in a very serious news program, and most of the topics had been discussed repeatedly in advance, and of course, CBS and the program team would definitely ask some special questions.

The two sides set the topics of the visit on Huateng Company, the technology industry, the financial crisis, the global economy, Sino-US relations, and Xu Teng's parents and family life.

In the last 20 minutes, the two sides talked about the key point -- the Sino-US issue.

"We all know that you have a good personal relationship with President Obama, and it has been reported that the President's trip to China in November last year was unusually extended to five days, mainly in response to your suggestion to increase his itinerary in Shanghai and Shenzhou. So, my question is, how do you view President Obama's visit to China last year, and what positive effects do you have on China-US relations in terms of long-term views on China-US relations?"

Xu Teng is generally more pro-female hosts and is relatively less aggressive, so he chose CBS's "60 Minutes" to be interviewed by Diane Sawyer.

Facing Ms. Sawyer's question, Xu Teng thought for a moment.

"First of all, I don't think my recommendations are a very important reference for the president. I remember that around October last year, Petersenlaw sent me an e-mail that said that the president might visit China in the near future, and asked me to invite some outstanding young people in China to meet with him, and when I replied to the email, I also mentioned Shanghai and Shenzhou, because these are the two most dynamic big cities in China, not necessarily very political, but there are a lot of excellent young people, and I didn't say anything else. Because I know that he is the president of the United States and I am a Chinese businessman. A lot of times, people need to be self-aware, to be familiar with the law, to know what you can do, what you can say, and more importantly, to know what you can't do and what not to say. ”

"Secondly, I personally believe that the President's visit to China last year was very successful, and he successfully continued the legacy left by President George W. Bush, prudently, and actively maintained the friendship between China and the United States. In the global political landscape, you can't find a more complex and important bilateral relationship than the U.S.-China relationship. My family is a bridge between the two countries, my father started investing in the United States in the 90s, and in the past few years, during my time as chairman of Huateng, I have been more active in the United States, even when the American economy is in crisis. I believe that with the advancement of time, there will be more and more mutual investment between China and the United States, and one day, you will find that the United States will continue to be the number one country to invest in China, and China will gradually become the number one country to invest in the United States. ”

"I believe that as long as we maintain this good trend, China and the United States can become better friendly countries, I am not saying that China and the United States can become allies, but at least in the fields of economy, diplomacy, environmental protection, etc., they will become two countries that cooperate closely. ”

All of Xu Teng's answers are very cautious and positive, trying not to talk about conflicts, but only about business.

"I'm heartened by your answer, but we all know that more Americans are starting to question that the U.S. isn't benefiting from the development of U.S.-China trade, at least more from China. You are the most successful entrepreneur in China, and even in the whole world, as people say, you are China's Bill Gates + Buffett + Paulson, from your point of view, can you explain why the U.S. trade deficit between China and the United States is getting bigger and bigger?

"If you carefully analyze the trade deficit between China and the United States, you will find that the vast majority of the deficit comes from enterprises invested in China by entrepreneurs from Europe, the United States, Japan and South Korea, to be precise, the trade deficit between China and the United States is concentrated in China before 2002. At the same time, I would like to emphasize that I usually do not invest in export-oriented foreign trade enterprises, but pay more attention to domestic demand enterprises, which is why I invest much more in the United States than in other countries outside China, because the United States has the largest domestic demand market in the world. ”

Xu Teng cleverly dismantled the problem and changed the question to "What is the main reason for the U.S. trade deficit", rather than the Sino-US trade deficit, "The real question is, why does the United States have such a huge trade deficit? The answer is not complicated, the industrial structure of the United States ranks at the top of the world's industrial chain, which means that the per capita salary of the United States is bound to be higher than that of most countries in the world." At the same time, the United States has the largest banking system in the world, and the most convenient and extensive credit system. The combination of these two characteristics will inevitably make the vast majority of Americans have much higher spending power than other countries, and at the same time, the United States is destined to be a deficit country in the global trading system. If the United States had only 70 million people, the situation would have been much better, and the problem is that the United States has a population of 320 million. ”

"If the U.S. wants to change that, and make the U.S. a trade surplus at its current demographic level, it's going to bring down per capita income to the global average, reduce U.S. spending power, and the easiest way to do that is to devalue the dollar by half. There is an old Chinese saying that you can't have both fish and bear's paws, you can't get bear's paws if you go to the sea to fish, and you can't catch sea fish if you go hunting in the forest. Once China develops to the level of the United States, when its per capita annual income exceeds $30,000, it will inevitably become the world's largest trade deficit country, which is an inevitable problem for all advanced economies, unless you don't have a large population. ”

"Wow, that's a very strange theory, and I haven't heard any other economist explain it before. After all, Diane Sawyer is just a hostess, and she doesn't study economics and trade, so of course she doesn't know why.

"My statement is simple, but practical. Population size is a key issue, the total population of the world is so large, the market is so large, in fact, the total number of industrial workers in the world is about 300 million, and the industrial products produced by these 300 million people can no longer be sold. So, the problem is not that the Chinese have taken American jobs, as many American politicians say. The truth is that the U.S. economy has developed to the top of the global food chain, and the total market for high-end industrial products provided by the U.S. is limited, and if you want to export Boeing 747s to other countries, you can't expect to continue to export shirts and leather shoes. ”

"To be precise, the U.S. competitors are Japan, South Korea, and Germany, and only by beating them with your high-end industrial products can you become a trade surplus country. They are in surplus, which means that the United States has not defeated them in high-end industries and high-income countries. Therefore, the United States still needs to reflect on why it cannot continue to lag behind Japan and Germany in international commodity competition. You can't think about competing with China and Mexico, unless you are willing to lower your per capita income and quality of life to the level of China, Mexico, Brazil, you can only think about competing with other developed countries. ”

Xu Teng does not want to provoke relations between developed countries, but facts speak louder than words, the main problem in the United States now is precisely the decline of high-end manufacturing, in many fields of shipbuilding and machinery, it has been surpassed by Japan, South Korea and Germany.

"In fact, I often think about the problems of the US economy, and I often discuss these issues with friends in the US political and business circles, including the current policy advisers of the White House, and my view is clear, the problems of the US economy, especially the weakening of the US in high-end industries, are directly due to the defeat in the competition with Japan and Germany. If you win, then Germany will not be a surplus country in Sino-German trade. The fundamental reason is that the United States has problems with education, and many industrial policies are also problematic, and it cannot provide sufficient talents for high-end manufacturing. Let me give you an example, the fact that a rich country like the United States cannot provide higher education for most Americans is more harmful than the health care problem in the United States. In my opinion, in a country that has developed to the level of the United States, you should have at least 80% of the school-age population in higher education, and even universal access to higher education. ”

"Let me give you another question, the United States has a population of 300 million, and the age structure of your population is very perfect, and you don't need new low-end immigrants at all, you just need to supplement high-end high-tech immigrants and investment immigrants. Because the number of low-end jobs in an economy is limited after all, it should be provided to the local middle-aged and elderly labor force who cannot adapt to the new industrial revolution. The more low-end immigrants and illegal immigrants, the higher the unemployment rate of your own population, the more fierce the competition for low-end jobs, and the more intense the social contradictions. ”

"I know political correctness is a very important criterion, but if you go to the Great Lakes and look at it, so many American workers are unemployed, and their problem is not that their jobs are stolen as politicians claim, but that they can't keep up with the pace of economic development in the process of industrial upgrading and trade globalization in the United States. They don't have time to learn newer knowledge, they don't have time to adapt to new jobs, they are eliminated in the changing times, and the government doesn't provide them with enough help. ”

"So when President Obama came up with the idea of change, I knew he was the kind of leader that Americans needed, and we talked about these issues when he was still campaigning, and I knew he saw them, and I believe that he can solve them in the end, at least lead Americans to the most important step." Moreover, I believe that under his leadership, the United States will have a new look and the economy will get better and better, which is why I will ignore the difficulties of the American economy at this stage and continue to invest in the United States. And, I promised, I would create more jobs, whether in China or in the United States, as my father said, we should help people, and helping others is helping yourself. My wife used to be a pop singer, and she loved to cover an old Chinese song, and in this song, we sang like this, everyone gives a little love, and the world will be a better place. ”

Xu Teng didn't believe the last nonsense, but he still had to say it, and he said it with great confidence.

"I visit entrepreneurs around the globe a lot, and I feel that you're by far one of the very few entrepreneurs I've interviewed who can really think about these issues. Diane Sawyer, the host of the 60-minute show, comes from the bottom of her heart...... At least it seems that he sincerely agrees with some of Xu Teng's views.

"At the end of the program, I would like to ask you a question that more people are concerned about, in your opinion, will China eventually replace the United States as the new superpower?" Diane Sawyer's question is the finale, the core of today's interview.

She didn't inform Xu Teng in advance, she would ask this tricky question, just to catch Xu Teng off guard.

Pity.

Xu Teng didn't know how many times he thought about this kind of question.

"I don't think so. It was in 1894 that the GDP of the United States surpassed that of the United Kingdom, and it was not until 1910 that the United States ranked first in the world in terms of comprehensive national strength, but it was not until the end of World War II that the United States really became the leader of the international community. ”

"Personally, I don't think it's until 2030 that China's GDP will surpass that of the United States, which is not a shame for the United States, because China has a population of 1.4 billion, which is almost five times the population of the United States. It will probably not be until 2070 that China's per capita GDP will be on par with that of the United States. In other words, if there is no world war in between, China wants to replace the United States, at least at the end of the century. For such a long period of time, anything can happen in this world.

"In such a long period of time, the population of the United States may grow to 700 million, the Chinese population shrinks to about 1 billion, the size of the two economies is roughly the same, and the United States still maintains an absolute advantage in global military deployment, military strength and international influence." ”

"Moreover, the United States does not understand China, let me put it this way, the national image, character, and culture of the United States all symbolize a middle-aged man, about thirty-five or sixteen years old, while China's national character is more like that of a sixty-year-old gentleman. My country has a history of more than 4,000 years, and the history recorded in strict history books can be traced back to the Western Zhou Dynasty 3,000 years ago. In this long history, you can hardly believe how many wars have occurred in China, these wars, these scars, these sufferings are like wounds on a person's body, every elite who is familiar with Chinese history will generally feel it, so in these thousands of years, we have been pursuing a spirit of valuing harmony. This is not a historical idiom, this is the spiritual connotation of a country, this is the character of a nation. ”

"So, China is not an expansionist country......" Xu Teng's last sentence was interrupted.

"Tibet, Taiwan, the South China Sea, as well as Xinjiang and Mongolia, China is indeed a very aggressive country in the eyes of us Americans, and you occupy the territory of the Tibetans, which is why we have to support ...... mentally!" Diane Sawyer's words were also interrupted.

Come and don't be rude.

Xu Teng interrupted Diane Sawyer's question, "You know who you're going to talk about, I don't like to talk about this topic very much, because I know much more about this field than you, he is indeed a religious leader, but he is also a king who represents the entire serf-owning class. In the history of mankind, we have had many examples of the maintenance of slavery through the power of religion. You are very gentlemanly, very sympathetic, and at the same time support a religious leader, and at the same time support the slave owners around that leader, and when he talks about democracy and freedom, have you ever spent a little bit of time investigating what the people around him have done, and investigating the people he is currently ruling over, and you have a little bit of democracy and freedom? I don't like to talk about this topic because I know that no matter what I say, you won't believe it. ”

"The same includes issues like Taiwan, the South China Sea, and Xinjiang, and I want to remind the Western community that Chinese culture and Western culture are completely different, and we pay attention to history, unity and stability. We pay more attention to the harmony and stability of the family, the unity and stability of the country, and the children and parents, than to egoism. During the Korean War, Americans did not understand why Chinese soldiers were not afraid of sacrifice and fought desperately, because we are such a nation, such a culture, we have received more than 2,000 years of Confucian education, and we will never hesitate when we need to sacrifice ourselves to protect our families and countries. ”

"If we want stability in the U.S.-China relationship, we need to understand each other, and we respect the dignity of the United States as the leader of the West, and we respect the core interests of the United States in leading the global order, and the United States must respect China's core interests in pursuing national unity and stability. China's concept of national territory, especially today's territorial and territorial territory, is actually a national tradition left over from a 2,000-year-long history, and no government or leader can violate it, otherwise it will be a betrayal of the other 1.4 billion people. Therefore, let me tell you, the problems of Taiwan and Tibet are not the problems of war and peace, but the life and death of the Chinese, and on the map of China today, any inch of territory shrinkage may set off the super anger of 1.4 billion people. ”

"The interesting thing is that in other places beyond this territory, as civilians, I can say on behalf of other Chinese, we don't care." We want world peace, and we're willing to pay for it, but if we want to send troops and sacrifice our lives for it, then we'll say to the government, "FK-OUT!" If the United States loves the great cause of world leadership, we will say, OK, there is no problem, do you want to write a check, do you want us to help mediate, everything is fine. Within the framework of the United Nations, we can send more peacekeeping troops, but if we want to directly send troops in the name of China to help the United States, that is impossible, because it is impossible for us, the people, to support it. ”

"In our history, similar to the Vietnam War in the United States, the Afghan War in the United States, and the Afghan War in the Soviet Union, we have had too many times, two thousand years ago, Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty spent forty years constantly sending expeditionary forces to expel the Huns from the northern steppes, which eventually led to a global catastrophe and destroyed the Western Roman Empire. Do you really think this is going to be an easy thing to do? No, we sacrificed too much, we had to spend too many resources, and we had to deplete the country to defeat the Huns. In the Tang Dynasty, in order to resist the invasion of Persia by the **** team in the Middle East, we sent an expeditionary force to drag down the Tang Dynasty, which was at its peak. In the Ming Dynasty, in order to help the Korean Kingdom defend itself against the invading Japan, we sent an expeditionary force that drained the treasury, eventually causing the entire country to be occupied by ethnic minority forces into the Qing Dynasty, which was ruled by barbarians, triggering a centuries-long cycle of conservative pedantic and weakening, triggering a century-long tragedy in modern China. ”

"These historical factors determine that we do not like the government's policy of dominating foreign wars, and the government is well aware that this nation is already like this, and it will never support any form of overseas military deployment, except for the basic responsibilities of a great power and the security crises of neighboring countries, such as the Korean Peninsula and the Indochina Peninsula. If the earth is a village, we are the kind of inhabitants of this village, you don't step on my lawn, I will never go to your lawn, I believe that you must have such neighbors around you, a little strange, and besides, 80% are elderly. If you really want to be friends with her and come into her home as a guest, you will find that she may be your best friend. ”

"Therefore, my advice to the United States is very simple, don't simply think that this is a young country, that is the worst miscalculation, just because the history of New China is only 60 years. If you imagine that the writing of our nation has not changed much in the past three thousand years, our elementary school students can easily understand the writing and history of two thousand years ago. Imagine that our country has 24 of the most classic history books, from the Xia, Shang, Zhou, Qin, and Han dynasties, to the Sui, Tang, Song, Ming, and Qing dynasties, recording all national events, every war, and its process, can you still believe that we are a young expansive country? Do you really believe that a 70-year-old man would rob banks and neighbors? If you don't like her, don't bother her, if you like her, you have to understand her difference, and you can't ask her with the thoughts of other young people. ”

"I believe that in this world, every country and nation is completely different, but the United States and China are really a bit special countries, like two sides of a mirror, very different. Therefore, do not use the ideas of the Americans to copy them bluntly, do not think that the Chinese think the same as yours, and do not think that after the revival of China, it will also occupy military bases everywhere in the world. ”

"To tell the truth, for those who claim that China and the United States will definitely fall into confrontation, whether it is a senator or a general, I think this person has an IQ problem, has not read a book, and does not even know a few Chinese. There is an ancient saying among the Chinese that half of the Analects governs the world, which means that if you are familiar with Confucius's Analects, you can govern the country well, even if you can only read half of it, and you will not make mistakes. If you are a politician who needs to deal with China, you are not required to read the "University" and "The Mean", which are the models of Chinese philosophy, nor do you need to read the 24 histories of China, but at least read the Analects, which is the most basic responsibility of a mature politician. If you read The Art of War, and then you think you understand China, that's probably the most ridiculous statement, just like if you read Nietzsche, you think you understand the whole European philosophical spirit. ”

"I know a lot of American politicians and businessmen, and they always tell me that I have read The Art of War, and that Chinese classical thought is really wonderful, and you can imagine how embarrassed I was in that moment, and I didn't know how to flatter each other!"

"LenEu? I think it must be a very heavy and good book, and I will definitely find the time to read this good book slowly. This is probably the most embarrassing interview Diane Sawyer has ever done, "I believe that our interview must have exceeded the time limit, but it doesn't matter, because we have been prepared for it, and I believe that the topic we are working on must have very important information and reference value for American audiences." Today, we had a wonderful conversation, and I began to feel like I was slowly getting to know China really well. Your analogy of the Chinese character reminds me of my Aunt Anna, a nice person who hates strangers entering her lawn, but if you are willing to sit down with her and make small talk, she will surely prepare you a hot cup of coffee, a most fragrant pie. At the end of the interview, I couldn't resist asking you one last question, but this time, I really hope you can answer simply, YES or NO!"

"No problem. Xu Teng was ready, his previous conversation about the relationship between China and the United States, as well as China's character, was indeed relatively long, beyond the expectations of both sides, and the question itself was suddenly raised by Diane Sawyer.

"I know that your initial trip to the U.S. was only a week, and you suddenly decided to extend it by a month, whether it was because you had more important business negotiations and acquisitions? Or maybe you had a major breakthrough in a business negotiation and we had a very reliable source that you were in frequent meetings with Chairman William Doug of Starwood and Chairman Medke of AMD. ”

“YES!” Xu Teng's answer this time was very simple.

"Starwood, or AMD?"

"We are all talking, maybe there will be a clearer outcome during this time, and I hope it will be two good negotiation results. Xu Teng spread out his hand and signaled that he couldn't say too much, after all, it was difficult to say which side could reach an agreement.

"Thank you for your answer, I must say that today, we have a great interview. Diane Sawyer got up and took the initiative to shake hands with Xu Teng to thank him, as she said, this interview will have a sensational news boom.

This is indeed the case.

"60 Minutes" is a quasi-live broadcast program, in fact, there is about a few minutes of buffer time, which is a great test of the level of the entire program team in fast editing.

It also has very high ratings.

Xu Teng is being interviewed here, the White House is also broadcasting live, and even many lawmakers in the Capitol are watching this program, and most of the lawmakers don't need to understand China, they need to understand Xu Teng.

Secretary Hilary's team, in particular, who had just offended Xu Teng and The-ShunFamliy, must now find a way to quickly mend their relationship.

This is one of the most absurd questions in American politics.

They are not afraid of offending China, and Secretary of State Hilary has been trying to disrupt China's diplomacy with clever power since taking office, weaving a strong anti-China island chain around China's visits to Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and Singapore.

But Secretary Hilary is really worried about offending The-ShunFamliy, or rather, she is more worried about offending the U.S. consortium that The-ShunFamliy can influence.

In the past few days, Xu Teng has been fighting back against her, and some people have stopped sponsoring the Democratic Party, and many of the sponsorships that have been promised have ranged from a cancer research center to millions of dollars in midterm election funding.

The Koch brothers, who have long supported the Republican Party, have significantly expanded their support for the Republican Party in the midterm elections, threatening votes in several swing states.

At this time, Secretary of State Hilary was in her State Department office, wearing heavy glasses, watching TV with her staff, and her former presidential husband had left the presidential library and arrived in Washington, D.C., where he supported her and analyzed this issue of "60 Minutes" together.

"Now, we can be sure that there is a very special close connection between the president and Xu, and they have teamed up to plot against us, Booker, Oronte...... There are probably a dozen senators in the party who are rapidly moving away from the State Department, perhaps all of whom are in contact with The-ShunFamliy's agents. "Podesta has always had a special place in Hilary's team, and as the second-in-command of the entire team, the person who poses the biggest threat to him is, of course, the third-in-command Huma Anadin.

In fact, as the White House chief of staff during President Clinton's time, John Podesta, who has served in the White House and Congress for a long time, knows that in the past five or six years, The-ShunFamliy's involvement in American politics has become very broad, and it is definitely not as simple as Huma Anadin investigated through a few FBI agents.

Huma Anadin and Secretary of State Hilary thought that The-ShunFamliy was mainly dealing with the Republican Party and supporting the Republican Party, but they did not expect that The-ShunFamliy was also widely funding the Democratic Party, but it was more subtle than they expected.

Therefore, when Huma Anadin proposed to Hilary to use the evidence in his hand to force Xu Teng to make a deal, and at the same time get a handle to threaten the president, Podesta disagreed in his heart, but did not stop it.

Former White House chief of staff, Podesta knows very well that even if he offends The-ShunFamliy temporarily, as long as Secretary of State Hilary lowers his profile and agrees to make a deal with The-ShunFamliy, there will be no problems in the end.

Because Hilary is the U.S. Secretary of State after all, her husband is former President Klinton, the former Democratic leader, today's Democratic Party leadership, from the party chairman to the party whip, the president of the House of Representatives, and the two Democratic justices of the Supreme Court, are all political legacies and appointments left by President Klinton.

"Everything is clear, The-ShunFamliy interfered in American politics, even the presidential election, and more than once, we have to stop this. Huma Anadin strongly insisted on her suggestion that a foreign evil like The-ShunFamliy must go to war and launch an all-out counterattack in Congress and the federal government.

"William, you've got to say something!" Secretary of State Hilary looked at her husband, former President William Klinton, who was roughly in the same judgment as Podesta, who had been calculated by the president, who had known early on that her people were using the F.B.I. investigation to try to find the president's grip on accepting foreign political contributions -- a lever that would be enough to impeach the president, and if there was solid evidence, enough to kill him and end Obama's political career.

"As he said......!" former President Klinton said referring to Xu Teng, "They supported us, but they never showed up, they just wanted some business in return, and that was not a big deal." Israel is doing this, Europeans are doing this, even Saudi Arabia is doing it. They don't leave any evidence, they don't write checks, they just use business dealings to make American businessmen and consortia make choices. I don't think that's the problem. And I don't think he's an enemy of the Secretary of State. The-ShunFamliy and their allies have only made it clear that they do not want to intervene in the internal affairs of American politics, and their demand is simple, not to interfere in their legitimate business. ”

"So, you don't think the situation is very serious?" Secretary Hilary must have known what her husband meant, she just wanted a simpler confirmation.

"Of course no problem, his father is an old friend of mine and I am sure he will respect my proposal. Klinton's decision to take matters into his own hands was well known to him that this was a clever counterattack by Obama's team, costing Hilary the 2012 party nomination altogether.

This is a normal thing.

After the 2008 election, Klinton knew his wife had lost the chance to run for president unless she was willing to run in the 2016 election at the age of 70 — a common sense that Hilary's chances of winning again on behalf of the Democrats were slim after eight years in power.

That's why Klinton wants to use all his resources in the Democratic Party to help Obama form a new government after Obama's victory.

In an unfavorable situation, instead of continuing to fight, it is better to make quick peace with opponents within the party and jointly pursue more and more secure interests.

Marriage.

Thirty years on, what else can you pursue?

He and his wife are already just the most special political marriage, like the closest allies, never betraying each other, that's all.

Most of the time, the two lived separately, living at the Klinton Presidential Library in Arkansas, where he had his own team that handled the work of the Klinton Foundation, while Hilary lived in Washington, D.C., all year round.

By the time CBS's "60 Minutes" finished airing, former President Klinton had already flown to New York, where he would arrive at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel, where he asked his aides to meet Mr. Xu.

The two will choose a suitable place to meet and negotiate.

At the same time, the White House chief of staff of the current President Obama also secretly flew to New York, and the next night he went to the Park Hyatt Hotel in Manhattan to visit the Xu Teng family on behalf of President Obama as a friend. (To be continued.) )