The 1061 was compared to the 617 and the six-wheeled tank, and the performance decided the order
The performance of the 1061 and 617 tanks in the text determines the order
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"Within 10 million? At this price, there is not much hope at all, Longwei tanks, we sell them to the military according to the cost of production, what price they sell, you should be clear. The new tank far surpasses the Longwei tank in terms of performance...... "In the face of the price of 10 million, Liu Yijiu is simply impossible to accept."
If the configuration is not reduced, the military will have to equip it, and they will have to lose nearly 10 million per vehicle at cost alone.
This situation was something that Liu Yijiu never expected, and even everyone in the design and development team did not consider this problem.
Moreover, from the very beginning of the project, it was considered that the production of these tanks is likely to be unacceptable to the military because the price is too high, Liu Yijiu and others have carefully analyzed, according to the high and low collocation, equipped with a small number every year, and constantly improve the performance and improvement, in the end, the republic does not need to be equipped too much, there are only more than 1,000 such tanks, with the Longwei tank and the 59 type, the main battle tank that has not been retired for a long time in the 21st century, can fully meet the country's national defense needs.
Equipping thousands of vehicles in 30 years, it is enough to equip only 30 vehicles a year, and the military can afford this cost.
At present, who can accept the reduction of allocation and performance?
The military's hope may be to equip a larger number of advanced equipment at a lower price, which is simply not possible.
"Let's talk about this later, no matter what, we have to see the tank first, and then we will discuss this issue after successfully completing various tests......" Qi Hao is not Li Yunlong, more often, he is thinking about doing more with less money.
"I'll have to ask the old man what he means. This tank was originally developed for our domestic troops, and if it really doesn't work, we will still consider exporting. We have invested a lot of R&D costs in this. Liu Yijiu's face was a little ugly.
This is indeed a mistake.
If the production quantity cannot be increased, the production cost will definitely not be reduced.
Of course, if the domestic scientific and technological system develops rapidly, the price of many things will be reduced, and the production cost of the entire tank may really be compressed to less than 10 million.
The old man proposed that science and technology are the primary productive forces, and since the beginning of the upper-level, he has been vigorously developing the science and technology industry.
The military industry also attaches great importance to it, although it is said that many projects have been discontinued, it is because of lack of money, and at the same time, because the scientific and technological foundation is too poor and has to make painful decisions. Only with the support of the old man will the new tank avoid the fate of reducing the allocation.
Introduce the matter to the old man as it is, and the logistics department also explained their difficulties, the two sides are not wrong at all, and there is no matter that the R&D unit does not understand the needs of customers.
National defense is nothing else, and the more advanced and effective the equipment, the more obvious the improvement of national defense strength.
"Comrade Xiao Liu, you also know the situation of our military. However, under the current circumstances, our army's rearmament plan must be realized, the cost of the equipment you developed is already high, and the logistics department is considering it according to the price of tens of millions, and your cost is twice as high, which will indeed affect the plan of the entire military...... "Qi Hao did not decide to purchase according to the original plan because the old man was embarrassed.
When the old man heard this, he glanced at Qi Hao, and then at Liu Yijiu, who was hit, and couldn't help but smile bitterly.
If it is really reduced, the R&D enthusiasm of the entire team of the Ninth Academy is estimated to be hit like never before.
This was even more severe than the chaos of the Ninth Courtyard during the Great Turmoil, when the Ninth Courtyard did not have several technical projects at all.
"So, isn't the new tank designed by the 617 also about to be finalized? When the time comes, let's see how much there is a difference in technical performance and combat capability between the two sides, and then consider the situation of equipping troops. "The old man is shrewd.
At this time, it is obviously inappropriate to propose a reduction in the configuration without seeing combat capability.
Liu Yijiu immediately became happy, and he was afraid that if he didn't even have a chance to express himself, his efforts would be in vain.
"Chief, why don't we find a chance to compete with 617 later, what do you think?" On the 617 side, there was no technical cooperation with the Ninth Academy, and their new tank also consumed a lot of research and development funds.
As long as the performance of the tanks of the Ninth Academy is much stronger than theirs, in the end, even if the military is unwilling, it will not agree to let them export these tanks, at that time, at least, the R&D investment military must be given to the Ninth Academy.
With the technology in hand, the military has demand, so it can only let the relevant units of the Ninth Academy carry out production.
"Comrade Xiao is very confident, 617 has also put forward a request to compete with you. After all, our military spending is insufficient, and every penny must be used on the blade......" the old man said with a smile.
After Liu Yijiu left, Qi Hao asked the old man, "Isn't it a little inappropriate to make the two already contradictory units compare in this way?" ”
"Where there's competition, there's pressure. There is pressure to make them progress faster! What was the original situation of 617? Now they are bent on surpassing 619, and 619 is bent on surpassing the whole world, so their development is the fastest...... "The old man doesn't think that there is anything unacceptable for the two units to compete in this regard.
got the old man's reply, Liu Yijiu felt like he had taken a reassurance.
immediately rushed back to Daba Mountain and convened a meeting of relevant personnel to discuss the matter.
Perhaps, he is the most appropriate to assign the work.
“…… That's the way it is, this should be 617 Li Yuming and others gave us eye medicine, and their technical equipment should be more in line with the ideas of the military leaders, and the performance is much stronger than the original developed tank, and in the end, such a result will appear, in their opinion, many of our configurations are unnecessary. So, we need to beat them down and win them by a big margin to avoid the fate of the six-round plan being downloaded......"
That's right, the new tank project is called a six-wheel plan in Daba Mountain.
From the very beginning of this project, it has received various tilts from the Ninth Academy, which is the most important project in the army project and the one with the most investment.
"Director Liu, what configuration is there over there in 617?" Jiang Ming was very concerned about this matter.
As the person in charge of the new tank, since you have to compare, then you must know that you know the other side.
"I don't know what the specific technical configuration is, the secrecy work over there is quite good, even Qi Hao, it's not clear, that guy from Johnson can't pee in the same pot with us, so you can't count on him. However, in any case, their heavy tanks, in any respect, are unlikely to surpass us! At this point, Liu Yijiu is still confident and sure.
"So how do we deal with it? Do you want to continue to add some backup technology to it as well? Shen Wei, who was in charge of the armor design, was a little depressed.
With graphene, some other armor has been researched and has become a backup technology.
Reactive armor, for example, is one of them.
It took him and his team years to figure it out.
It turned out that even if the armor was covered with depleted uranium armor and the thickness was increased, it could not be compared with the composite armor with 7 layers of graphene.
In the end, reactive armor became a backup plan for the six-wheel plan, and Liu Yijiu didn't think about using this technology on new tanks at the beginning, but only to improve the defense of the Longwei tank and a large number of tanks equipped in China.
"Yes, add all the technologies we have, as long as we can use them!" Liu Yijiu gritted his teeth and said, "Li Yuming, don't they want to trouble us, don't they want to challenge us?" I think their tank should cost around 10 million, otherwise the logistics department would not have come up with this. If our tanks can fight five against one, or ten against ten, or even more......"
This is Liu Yijiu's inference.
Whether it is a Type 80 main battle tank or a Type 88 main battle tank, the cost is quite high, otherwise the Republic would not have been equipped with only a few hundred.
At present, it is no longer the same situation as before, 617 gambled with the Ninth Academy, it was to surpass the Ninth Academy base from the beginning, they are the most basic and technical experience of the tank research and development base of the Republic, and the Ninth Academy is such a rising star to challenge them, and at the same time, Liu Yijiu's insult to 617 is also a shame for their entire base.
Therefore, it is not to be taken lightly, and the performance of the new heavy tank designed by the 617 cannot be referred to only with the technology of the Type 80 or Type 88.
Any unit in China, under strong pressure and under the attention of the head of the unit, will burst out with unimaginable capabilities.
"I think it's better not to do that. As you said, our cost is 20 million, and even if we win, in the end the military will not be able to purchase it at too high a price. Increasing the technical difficulty is simply finding something for us to do. Didn't our tank design talk about the optimal configuration to consider? Qian Dayong is not good at technology, but he doesn't want the Ninth Academy to eventually fall out with the military because of the price.
The military gave enough prices, for them it was a good thing, now it is clearly impossible.
The Ninth Yuan belongs to the state and belongs to the military, but it is outside the management of the government and the military.
At present, it is the relationship between the manufacturer and the customer, and there is absolutely nothing good about offending the customer.
"But ......"
Hearing this, Shen Wei suddenly became a little anxious.
"Why don't we replace it with a 152 gun? Or like the Dragon Guard, the anti-aircraft and anti-armor missiles installed on the top of the tank ...... "strong defense, which can only improve survivability."
Attack power is an issue that must be taken into account by all heavy weapons and equipment.
"Pull it down! Don't say that our current 152 tank gun has not been successfully developed at all, even if it is successfully developed, this cannot be up. Not to mention how much heavier the 152 gun is than the 125 gun, just the ammunition carrying capacity is too much worse. Qian Dayong glared at Yu Mingjiang.
These guys only obey Liu Yijiu, and they don't care about themselves as the division director at all.
It was clearly stated that the 152 tank gun was not allowed, and the maximum possibility was to increase the power of the 125 mm tank gun, but they instead preferred to add a larger caliber gun to the tank.
For large-caliber artillery, not only the generals of the republic had an almost fanatical preference, but even the designers were crazy.
At the beginning, under Liu Yijiu's opposition, the military still launched the space artillery program.
It's a waste of money.
"Okay, the 152 is not suitable for tanks at all. We need to consider not only combat capability, but also other issues. Carrying such a cannon, our speed is reduced, and at the same time, the amount of ammunition carried is reduced, which will make our tanks ...... like the German Tiger back then," Liu Yijiu shook his head.
When the quantity is insufficient, the amount of ammunition carried is related to combat performance.
Tiger gave up mobility for more powerful firepower and defense, although the combat capability was very strong, but in the end it was besieged by the Soviet T34 because the cost was too high and the number was too small......
Because of this situation, therefore, in this regard, Liu Yijiu also hopes that the military can carry out high and low matching, if there is a war, the new tank becomes an arrow, using strong offensive force to tear apart the enemy's armor cluster, and when the meat shield resists the attack in front, the low-end tank that follows will besiege the opponent's tank at the beginning, and wait until the advanced tank in front is about the same, and the low-end tank will cover.
No matter how bad the domestic tanks are, they cannot be completely wiped out by the enemy's tanks at once.
Therefore, there is no need to reduce maneuverability or anything in pursuit of higher performance.
Otherwise, we will have to face the same fate as the German Tiger tank back then.
is like a saying circulating in the rivers and lakes, no matter how high your martial arts are, you are afraid of kitchen knives. Even if he is the number one master in the world, when he is besieged by countless people, he will try his best to die.
"We have to speed up the process, and at the same time, given the current situation of our troops, the maintenance costs have to be kept as low as possible. Some technologies do not improve the performance much, but increase the cost, so we simply take the initiative to cancel it. On the way back, Liu Yijiu also thought about this problem.
You can't get a tank, the army can't afford to use it.
Even if the army does not have much equipment, it is completely necessary to consider.
"Then in the past few days, let's discuss these issues first? Anyway, the number has been obtained first-hand, and the research work will not stop. A lot of technology can be used on other equipment......" Qian Dayong asked Liu Yijiu tentatively