The moderator of the "Dialogue" column has a relatively rigorous and relaxed style, and is very skillful in the way he asks questions, but the topics he chooses are rich and varied.

"Just now Director Zhao talked about the issue of fertilizer import rights, I noticed that you mentioned that the adjustment of the national fertilizer raw material import right mechanism is due to the sudden emergence of the private economy in the fertilizer industry, which has changed the current domestic fertilizer industry pattern, in fact, not only in the fertilizer industry, through more than 20 years of reform and opening up, China's private economy has grown from nothing, from weak to strong. Now according to the statistics of relevant data, the proportion of the private economy in the national economy has exceeded more than half, it is the private economy in the domestic economic system continues to grow, so that the old pattern is constantly being broken, but we have also noticed that our government administrative organs in response to the pattern of changes to make some changes at the same time, there are still many areas remain relatively static, such as energy, communications, public infrastructure, etc., to take administrative ban measures, in some basic industries, The private economy is still suffering from policy discrimination, and in this regard, we would like to hear Director Zhao, as one of the heads of the National Development and Reform Commission, what are your views and plans on these issues? ”

The host's question was polite, although he faintly pointed out some areas, but did not directly point to specific events in specific industries, which allowed Zhao Guodong to answer a much broader topic.

"The development of the private economy in the reform and opening up for more than 20 years does show a momentum in the ascendant, just now in the short film and the host also mentioned some data, I basically agree with this point of view, that is, the status of the private economy in the national economy is increasing day by day, just now the host also said that in some areas of the state administrative organs seem to lack some changes, and listed some industries, I want to talk about my own views on this issue."

Zhao Guodong did not avoid this question, he knew that this question could not be avoided, and he even had to thank the host for providing himself with such a relatively large subject matter, stay for a while, there will definitely be many people in the audience below who will have more scathing, more realistic and more specific questions on this aspect of the problem, he is mentally prepared, but being able to explain his views on this aspect in advance will help lay an ambush for the audience under the TV.

"You may have noticed the difference between several areas and other fields mentioned by the moderator, that they are all related to the national economy and people's livelihood, related to the country's economic security of the basic industry, at the same time they are also a huge input-output of the basic industry, in these areas to form the current existing pattern, is not only the choice of China's development history, but also affected by the laws of the market economy, state-owned capital occupies a dominant position in these fields, and private and foreign capital are in a subordinate position."

"In fact, we do not believe that the current pattern is immutable, and the socialist economic system with Chinese characteristics practiced in our country is a socialist market economic system, which means that we must still pursue the law of market economy in the economic field, and the requirement of the law of market economy is market competition, the survival of the strong, and the elimination of the weak." Zhao Guodong said eloquently, "As an administrative functional department, what needs to be done is to create a relatively equal and fair market atmosphere, so that the state-owned economy and the private economy can compete fairly in various fields and promote development through competition." ”

The host keenly captured the key words in Zhao Guodong's words, "Director Zhao, I noticed that when you mentioned creating an equal and fair market atmosphere, you added a restriction in front of, well, it is relative, how do we understand the meaning of this word?" ”

"Well, I specially added this word, because when I talked about this point of view, I thought that I could remove this relative word, it may sound more righteous and reasonable, but I think it is still necessary to add, all of you here are experts in our economic field, I want to say that this relative has its special meaning, the laws of market economy we have to abide by, but in specific fields and specific specific events, as a state administrative functional department still has to exercise functions such as maintaining national economic securityAs a simple example, if Boeing is not doing well, and we Chinese companies are interested in bidding, and Boeing's shareholders agree to sell, do you think the U.S. government will approve the deal? It is also in line with the rules of the market economy, but it is still not possible to achieve it in specific fields and specific events, which is the same for any country with a system. ”

"Of course, we can't look at everything in terms of this relative and specific, after all, the scope of this relative and specific refers to a very small range, and in the vast majority of fields, I personally believe that we still have to unswervingly follow the laws of the market economy." Zhao Guodong added: "In this regard, all systems that do not conform to the laws of the market economy and restrict economic development must be corrected through reform and change. ”

"Director Zhao, we noticed that since last year, the National Development and Reform Commission has also embarked on a series of new actions, first of all, the change of fertilizer import rights, and then some time ago it is the integration of the steel industry that has attracted a lot of attention, according to our understanding of the National Development and Reform Commission in the steel industry integration program has changed its draft several times, although the final result has not been completely finalized, but we have seen some of the original unexpected changes, first of all, the two major steel plates in the north and south of Hebei Province signed a restructuring agreement with Beijing Iron and Steel and Baosteel, respectively. This subverted the initial views of many people, and we were even more surprised that Jugang became the leader of the restructuring and integration of the new Qilu Iron and Steel Group, and before that, many people have been skeptical and pessimistic about private steel enterprises becoming the leader of the steel industry, but we have seen this encouraging change, and we would like to ask you to talk about your thoughts and feelings as one of the leaders of the integration of the steel industry. ”

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Su Juehua was right, he was not the only one who watched and paid attention to this issue of the "Dialogue" column this night, in fact, when the content of this issue of the "Dialogue" column and the invited guests were announced, it attracted the attention of many people in the economic circles, especially many people in the private economic circles were extremely interested in it, and when they were invited to participate in this issue of the "Dialogue" column as an audience, many people took the initiative to contact and ask to participate as an audience.

Some directly asked about the institutional reasons for the difficulties faced by Uni-President Petrochemical and Tianhua Group, some directly asked about the timetable for breaking the monopoly in the power sector, and some questioned the administrative power of the communication department as the source of corporate profits.

At the end of the day, the host also mentioned that the leader of the SASAC said in a speech in an interview earlier that a good competitive situation in the fields of energy and communications has been formed, and there is no monopoly, and asked Zhao Guodong what he thinks of this proposal.

This question is unprecedentedly scathing, including on and off the stage and in front of the TV, many people are quite concerned about the host's question, and even Su Juehua wants to hear Zhao Guodong's views on this issue.

"I think monopoly is both a phenomenon and a trend, monopoly is not just because there are a few companies formed a so-called competitive situation is not a monopoly, my personal understanding and opinion of monopoly, if you are a monopoly formed through market competition, then our functional departments have the responsibility and obligation to achieve healthy competition by cultivating more competitors, only in this way can our consumers benefit; If you achieve monopoly and high profits through administrative power and system rather than enterprise market competitiveness, then I personally think it is necessary to correct and revise the system, take back these powers, and create a level playing field to break this pattern, so that other peers can participate in fair competition and benefit more ordinary consumers. ”

As soon as these words came out, they immediately aroused warm applause from the audience.

Just when Su Juehua applauded Zhao Guodong's words that were not soft or hard, many people were also paying attention to Zhao Guodong's statement.

The old man looked thoughtfully at the TV screen and bowed his head slightly.

Zhao Guodong's performance is quite good, especially in the last remarks, which neither evaded the questions raised by the other party, but also did not directly refute the views expounded by the SASAC listed by the other party, but used a philosophical dialectical principle to analyze the monopoly, and then put forward his own views, with a clear attitude, firm views, and quite a high level.

The other party has grown rapidly during this period of work in the National Development and Reform Commission, not only quickly adapted to the work of the commission, provoked the beam, but also carried out the work creatively, and solved several quite difficult problems, such as the steel industry integration plan has been proposed since 2004, but has not been able to have a program that can ensure the implementation of the spirit of the national industrial policy, and can be accepted by the local government, Zhao Guodong has done a relatively successful job in this work, although the province must still be a little dissatisfied, But this is already a rather rare result.

He also noticed that the other party has put forward the issue of giving priority to the interests of the ordinary people on several issues, and listed this as the primary basis for policy change, which is not very eye-catching change, but it is closely related to the theme of a harmonious society put forward by the Central Committee at the Sixth Plenary Session of the Central Committee, and the interests of the general public are above all else. And flexibly apply it to their own work, whether this is a show or not, but it is enough to prove the maturity of the other party in this regard.

Thinking of this, the old man subconsciously thought that after turning the new year, he was about to start the provincial party congress to welcome the 11th National Congress, and the provincial team should also consider some leading cadres with new ideas and active ideas to take up the heavy burden.

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