Zhang Zheng said: "It is precisely because I am a TCM doctor, and I am a high-level TCM doctor, that I have a better understanding of the problems that TCM is currently facing."

"What's the problem?" Hu Manru asked.

"Traditional Chinese medicine should not be agitated with mysteries, but should be regulated by modern science and establish standards like Western medicine. Manru, let me ask you, you have been sick for so many years, what do you say is cold? What is Heat? What is Fire? What is Void? What is gold, wood, water, fire, and earth? What are the Five Elements of Yin and Yang? What is dialectical governance? Zhang Zheng asked.

"I don't know, I don't think many people except doctors understand. And I've encountered the same disease, different doctors talk differently, I simply don't ask anything, according to the medicine they prescribe, I can eat it, anyway, Chinese medicine has no toxic side effects, and it can't kill people. Hu Manru replied.

"This is the problem of no standard, one person with one trumpet, each singing his own tune, as I just said, it is all up to the doctor's nonsense. I ask you, when you have a cold, why do white blood cells rise. Zhang Zheng asked.

"Isn't that simple? White blood cells, often referred to as immune cells, help the body defend against bacteria, viruses and other foreign substances. When an infection occurs, the largest number of phagocytes in the white blood cells will appear quickly to engulf pathogens such as bacteria and parasites that invade the body, and the number of white blood cells will of course rise. Therefore, when you have a cold or fever, a blood test to check the number of white blood cells is an essential item. Hu Manru said.

"I said Manru, did you see that? The results of Western medicine are conclusive and clear at a glance. If you look at traditional Chinese medicine, it is fire, cold, and void, which will definitely make you confused and don't know why. People pay attention to visible bacteria, viruses, pathogens, infections, inflammation, etc., while Chinese medicine doctors ignore those concepts that are invisible to the fog cover of clouds and mountains. Zhang Zheng said.

"According to you, Chinese medicine is useless?" Hu Manru said.

"Not necessarily, Chinese medicine is still broad and profound, thousands of years of development, people still have accumulated a lot of experience in seeing and treating diseases, such as through the radial artery pulse, understanding the heart rhythm, heart rate, etc., in turn to infer the health of the heart. For example, the use of acupuncture to stimulate certain acupuncture points, stimulate the body's endocrine, regulate the body's health status, etc., these are all very desirable experience summaries. Zhang Zheng gave an example.

"Then you still belittle Chinese medicine so much?" Hu Manru said.

"I'm not belittling TCM, I'm just pointing out the problems that exist in TCM. What I emphasize is that today is an era of rapid development of modern science, and medicine, including traditional Chinese medicine, should not remain in the state of looking, smelling, asking, and cutting thousands of years ago, but should use modern scientific methods to regulate and manage. Otherwise, the path of Chinese medicine will become narrower and narrower, and it will be clear at a glance the vigorous development of modern medicine and the half-dead life of ancient Chinese medicine. Zhang Zheng said.

"You're going a little bit wrong, aren't you? Although Chinese medicine is very sluggish now, it will not become narrower and narrower, right? Hu Manru said.

"Many of the diagnostic techniques of traditional Chinese medicine have long been replaced by modern medicine, but traditional Chinese medicine is still holding on. Take the most mysterious means of trumpeting in traditional Chinese medicine, the so-called trumpet, to put it bluntly, is to artificially perceive the beating of the radial artery, and to understand the diseases and states of the heart according to this, different people will come to different conclusions, which is very unreliable. An electrocardiograph is much more reliable than the pulse of the old Chinese medicine doctor. In addition, for colds and fevers and other diseases, it is more reassuring to have blood routine, urine routine and other tests than to listen to the fools of those Chinese medicine masters. Therefore, by analogy, it is only a matter of time before Chinese medicine does not develop itself according to modern science and is completely replaced by modern medicine. Therefore, as a TCM doctor, I am very anxious. Zhang Zheng said.

"What you said seems to be a bit reasonable, as a science, from theory to practice, for thousands of years, there has been almost no development, and there is only traditional Chinese medicine, is this against the law of scientific development?" Hu Manru said.

"How to talk about the law, it's just Qiba, a lot of old antiques in the Chinese medicine world, it's just a matter of not wanting to forge ahead, resolutely opposing the things of the ancestors, it's a big problem, if Chinese medicine dies in the future, it will definitely die in the hands of these stubborn people." Zhang Zheng said.

"Don't they know the truth that 'the spirit lives, and change makes sense'?" Hu Manru asked.

"Because they have become famous, if the rules and standards are changed, it will inevitably damage the interests of these people, so these people are resolutely opposed to changing the status quo." Zhang Zheng said.

"I saw a very funny phenomenon in Qilu Hospital the day before yesterday, a famous old Chinese medicine doctor carried advanced portable testing instruments in the ward during his hospitalization, breathing oxygen, and prescribing prescriptions for Chinese medicine fans who came to visit, this spirit is too rare?" Hu Manru said with a smile.