"Who is this fish ball?" Huang Wenbin asked, "I don't know much about stocks, and I haven't heard of it before." ”

"I haven't heard of it either." Fang Tianhe said, "Who knows where it came from." ”

"The Internet radio station talks like some famous person." Huang Wenbin said.

"This network TV station itself is newly established, how can I invite any famous stock critics." Fang Tianhe said.

Sure enough, whether it's a TV newspaper or something else, anything that has the word 'famous' in front of the title really means not famous. For example, if you say that the Mona Lisa is the Mona Lisa, everyone knows which one it is, and you will never say the famous oil painting Mona Lisa. If you want to talk about Van Gogh, it is Van Gogh, everyone knows which one it is, and it will never say the famous painter Van Gogh. To say that the famous female soothsayer painted by the famous painter Caravaggio is to say that he is not famous enough. Of course, Caravaggio as a painter and a soothsayer is really famous among professionals, but the public is not so well known. For example, some other famous people, such as this famous fish ball, are really not famous, but just come out to bluff people.

"To be honest, although it is not famous, but in this wave of declining people, fish balls are the best." Huang Wenbin said.

"What's good about this, this is not realistic at all, the wheat mobile phone doesn't lose money at all, it makes a lot of money, this fundamental point of view is not right, do you still need to listen to other things, it's all nonsense." Ding Shishi said, "When the wheat generation was just released, the hardware cost was very high, and it was not to the point of losing money. Later, the cost decreased, and more money was earned, and by the time the second generation of wheat was released, the first generation could earn four or five hundred. When the second generation was first released, there were also seventy or eighty yuan of profit. ”

"This is counting the profits of the software, not so much just the hardware. This time, it is only the wheat phone itself that is listed, that is, the hardware and system. The system is open source and can't be counted as money, so it's just hardware. Huang Wenbin said, especially the first generation, when it was first released, there were dozens of profits, but the propaganda wiring to find dealers, which one does not need money, if these long-term investments are also counted, I am afraid that it will be a loss. Of course, the distribution of online brand image is something that can be used for a long time, and it is unfair to spread all of them to one generation.

"Not so much, that's a lot, we made tens of billions of dollars just from the hardware." Ding Shishi said.

"In terms of hardware alone, we have earned about 30 billion, and the specific figure depends on how to amortize the cost." Fang Tianhe said.

"Three tens of billion! That's 30 billion! Ding Shishi only needs an approximate number, "There are not many companies that can make more than 30 billion yuan a year, according to the 40 times P/E ratio, the total value of our stock market should be ...... 1200 billion? This number is too big, and Ding Shishi herself was taken aback, "If it is more than a year, it has to be converted into an annual income, which is hundreds of billions." ”

"40 times PE is too high, generally 20 times." Liu Xiangdie said.

"14 times more is considered normal." Xiao Lei said.

"A company that has only been established for more than a year, and it has not been listed, what is the point of saying that the price-earnings ratio is significant." Fang Tianhe said, "The price-earnings ratio can be more than 100 times higher and more than 100 times low." However, it does not mean that a high P/E ratio is bad, nor does it mean that a low P/E ratio is worth investing. Specific problems should be analyzed in detail, first of all, we must look at how the profit comes from, and then look at how the stock price comes from. If a company sells its main business and obtains a good income, and the rest of the people are all waiting to die, then no matter how high the profits are this year, no matter how many dividends and how low the stock price is, it is not worth investing. If a company is about to make a lucrative project, then the stock price will definitely rise significantly, so a high PE is a good thing. ”

"How much money can we raise when our wheat mobile phone goes public?" Ding Shishi asked.

"I can't say for sure." Fang Tianhe sighed, "There is too much unfavorable news now. It's said everywhere that our wheat mobile phones don't have core technology, they don't even have factories, and the employees are either making malls or games, and it's nothing big at all. It is also said that the wheat mobile phone is so cheap, it is the Shengong Group that uses the profits of real estate as a subsidy, and now it can't be pasted, we are in a hurry to go public, in order to cash out, and when the cash is completed, the wheat mobile phone will definitely not work. ”

"How can this be, the performance of wheat mobile phones is so good." Xiao Lei said.

"Customs Yang spread it." Huang Wenbin doesn't have to think about it, only by suppressing the profits of wheat mobile phones, he can complete the bet, looking for stock critics everywhere to release bad news, but it is a very common move, Huang Wenbin also wants to find someone to spread good news, but this kind of thing is useless with a lot of money, and you have to look at the door, Customs Yang's door is much more powerful than Huang Wenbin, Hai Qingquan doesn't make a move, the market is full of unfavorable news, "Xiaolei, when did you learn to speculate in stocks?" Even how many times PE knows. ”

"I have a lot of money in my hand, I can't just wait for it to depreciate." Xiao Lei said, "Of course, we have to think of investment to preserve value." ”

"Stocks are not easy to maintain their value, they go up and down." Ding Shishi said, "I often have to watch, and I have to study market policies and industry prospects, and I am in trouble." ”

"The stock market is not good at maintaining its value, but it is different from playing new stocks, and the income from new stocks is very good, and you can get almost 10% of the income in a year, which is very good." Xiao Lei said.

"You're going to fight a new one." Huang Wenbin said that he didn't know it, and the knowledge related to the stock market was only learned a while ago.

"It's easy to get a new one, there is no door, as long as you have money." Xiao Lei said.

"10% a year, that's a lot." Ding Shishi said, "I buy a fund, only 5% of the income, or I will follow you to make a new one." ”

"Yes, yes." Xiao Lei said.

"The risk of hitting new markets is greater than that of funds." Liu Xiangdie said, "It's better to learn from me to buy treasury bonds to ensure that there is no danger at all." ”

"How can government bonds be so easy to buy." Xiao Lei said, "As soon as it came out, the agency bought it out." ”

"That's because you don't have a way, it's not difficult to have a way at all. Isn't it, Sister Fang. Liu Xiangdie said.

"I'll talk about the investment later." Fang Tianhe said, "Now it's better to think about what to do about the listing." ”

"What to do?" Huang Wenbin asked.

"Originally, the company was listed to operate for three years, and it had to be profitable every year, and then after inspection and sorting, it would take at least one year to go public." Fang Tianhe said, "Our wheat mobile phone has only been established for a year, and the foundation is unstable, so it should not have been launched so early." I took the road of Haiqingquan and barely squeezed it up, I originally thought it was the GEM, but later said it was the main board. I thought it was a backdoor listing, but it didn't. In this case, rumors are rife and it is very bad for us. ”

"As long as it's listed, it's a victory." Huang Wenbin said that the stock price is not afraid of a little low for a while, as long as wheat mobile phones continue to sell well, they will always rise back. His foresight was not until the time of the crossing, and Huang Wenbin did not know how the mobile phone technology would develop, so it must be listed, and the original shareholders can unbundle and sell shares after three years of listing, and at that time it is not a few days away from the crossing, so it must be listed as soon as possible and unbundled as soon as possible. Otherwise, you can only pledge your equity, which is only 70% of the value, and you can make a lot less.

"I don't think we need to be in such a hurry." Fang Tianhe said, "It's better to go public step by step, put the foundation in jail step by step, and then go public when the water is a matter of course. Anyway, we have a lot of money, and wheat mobile phones are also making money in a steady stream, so we don't need to go public so quickly to raise funds. You can also avoid tying up too tightly with the Hai family, after all, Old Man Hai is retiring. ”

"It doesn't matter." Huang Wenbin said, "Isn't it a dream to do business in the capital, and you still want to be independent when you become bigger, and you won't give anyone face." ”

"What do you mean?" Xiao Lei didn't understand.

"If you want to accept the help of the Hai family, of course, you must accept their investment, introduce them as strategic investors, and give them a part of the shares." Fang Tianhe said.

"The Hai family has the smallest appetite." Huang Wenbin said.

"What is the price of Haiqingquan?" Fang Tianhe asked.

"Ishei." Huang Wenbin said.

"I have a really small appetite." Fang Tianhe breathed a sigh of relief, "What about the board of directors?" ”

"I don't want any position." Huang Wenbin said.

"That's too small, isn't it?" Fang Tianhe was a little surprised.

"How much do others want?" Xiao Lei asked curiously.

"At least twenty percent." Fang Tianhe said, "If it is dispersed, it can be less, last time there was a company listed, divided into three, respectively 5%, 7%, 2%, a total of 14 points, each with a director." Although this is ostensibly less shares, but the consequences are endless, if the three are fine, if they fight, the board of directors will be a mess, and maybe the founders will be squeezed out. ”

"If there is only one, wouldn't it be easier to crowd out the founder?" Ding Shishi didn't understand either.

"If you don't have a family, you won't." Fang Tianhe said, "In the final analysis, the most important function of listed companies is fundraising. With such a fundraising channel in hand, it is convenient to do anything. As for relying on the company's own business to make money, that is very secondary. And the company always needs someone to manage in order to operate, if you change someone who doesn't understand it and mess up the company's business, wouldn't it be bad. Therefore, if a company has mastered a listed company, it will take good care of it, sit in the village by itself, or join others to sit in the bank, and use the listed company to call for wind and rain in the stock market and raise funds. The management of the company will also be treated with corresponding respect. If it's the founder and management, it's even more respectful. ”

"Listening to you say this, it seems that as long as you go public, you will definitely be charged." Xiao Lei said.

"Of course, the company's listing is originally a process of handing over the right to control." Huang Wenbin has already been prepared, "It's not this family, it's that family." "Even if it is a perfect market, there is no market maker and no second generation, and the company will be controlled by shareholders.

"Then why are you rushing to go public?" Xiao Lei asked, "Isn't it good to do business by yourself?" ”