"You and your agent teamed up to trick those two reporters and swindled them out of ten dollars?" Across the couch sat a middle-aged black woman, none other than Oprah Winfrey, a well-known American talk show host.

This is the recording site of the famous "Oprah Talk Show", in order to be able to leave a good impression on the TV show, Jude deliberately wore a very formal suit, and the usually slightly casual hairstyle was also re-examined, and the burgundy stripes of the half-Windsor knot were meticulously tied to his chest, and his expression was flat and relaxed, giving people an extremely restrained and calm feeling.

"Those two cups of coffee cost far more than ten dollars."

"But you've all drunk it already, haven't you?" Oprah was very good at catching the rhythm of the conversation and immediately asked a question.

Jude nodded in agreement, but refused to apologize.

"I sympathize with what happened to those two reporters, but I still have to say to my agent, well done!"

As soon as these words came out, there was a buzz from the audience, and even Oprah couldn't help but cover her mouth with her hand, showing a somewhat surprised expression.

The choreographer had no intention of pausing the recording of the show, so Oprah had no choice but to round it up.

"It seems that we have a very personal guest today, and thank Jude for sharing his interesting facts about the Toronto Film Festival, and now let's go back to his new film, This Man Comes from Earth. I'm curious, what was the driving force behind the decision to make this film? ”

Jude was silent for a moment, then raised his head and replied firmly, "Money!" ”

Oprah covered her mouth with her hands in surprise, her eyes widened, and after a few seconds she hesitated to speak:

"You mean, you make movies just for the money?"

"I can guarantee that more than 90 percent of directors will not answer this question in this way, but in fact, more than 90 percent of directors make movies because of this, please forgive my honesty, but this is the truth."

Jude's face in the camera is calm, as if he is telling a very ordinary thing.

"But you had less than $30,000 on you at the time, and with that money to make a movie, wouldn't you be worried about failure? As far as I know, there aren't many of these kind of small-budget independent films that can really make money, so why do you think you must be one of the lucky few? After the initial surprise, Oprah had become accustomed to Jude's astonishing style of conversation, and her reaction was no longer as exaggerated as she had just been.

She put her hands back on her knees and made a gesture of patient listening.

"If you fail, you will go to get the government bailout, that's what I thought at the time, leaving the $30,000 is at most to postpone this happening for some time, so it's not difficult for me to make this choice, the real difficulty is how to get the best result with the least amount of money."

"So how do you convince actors and cinematographers to get paid after the fact?"

"They were not persuaded by me, but by themselves, and the salary was only a small aspect, because at that time even I didn't expect the film to achieve what it is now, and each of them joined the film with different purposes, for example, our cinematographer, Mr. Lubezki, who was ' One shot to the end' was attracted by the idea of filming and agreed to join, and the actor Muller was also attracted to join, he is an acting teacher, hoping to improve his acting skills through the filming of this film, and the others are either out of interest or bored and want to find something to do, in short, the whole crew has no special utilitarian purpose, except for me. ”

"Why?" Oprah couldn't help but ask.

"Because I was the poorest guy in the crew at the time."

Jude's self-defeating answer successfully amused both the host and the audience, including Oprah, and after stopping the laughter, Oprah continued to ask, "What about now?" ”

"I'm certainly not the poorest one now, and I did make a small profit after selling the film to New Line."

"And what are you going to do with the money?"

"Actually, the biggest help of this money for me is that it gives me more time to think about the way forward, whether it's on a beach in Miami or on a small island in the Caribbean."

Oprah reacted immediately and exclaimed, "Wow, it looks like you're ready to go on vacation." ”

Jude nodded in agreement, and in fact he was planning such a trip.

"That's a good idea, but don't you think it's too early to travel? I mean, "This Man Is From Earth" got a lot of media attention at the Toronto Film Festival, but the film hasn't been released publicly or on video, which means its results are still unknown. ”

"I get what you mean." Jude interrupted Oprah, "You want to say that the final results of the movie haven't come out yet, and it's not appropriate for me to travel at this time, but in fact, since I sold the movie to New Line, this movie has little to do with me. ”

"But this is your work!" Oprah reminded in particular.

"So you think I should value my work as if I were my own child? I only agree with half of this sentence, because when I was shooting this movie, I did treat this movie as if it were my own child, and I did everything I could to make it perfect, but after the movie was made, it was as if the child had grown up, and it could only decide how to go in the future, just like now, whether this movie is going to be released or directly recorded and released, these are not under my control, and I stay anxiously in my room every day waiting for news and going to the beach to enjoy the sun. The end result of the sea breeze is the same, I think most people will choose the latter, right? ”

"But you've been worrying about something, will such a trip be pleasant?"

"I have always believed that people's troubles mainly come from two things, one thing is powerless, and one thing is irrelevant, just like now that movies and movies are made, it is not up to me to decide whether the audience likes them or not, so such things can be completely discarded and not considered."

"In other words, you don't care at all about the results of your work?" After a series of gentle questions, Oprah finally showed her "fangs".

Without thinking, Jude asked, "If your child were good enough, would you be worried about his future?" ”