"The country's previous planned economic model raised a large number of enterprises. Qi often feels that the production capacity in any field is insufficient, so he builds a factory to increase output. In fact, many times, the market has a certain cycle. For a while, a product is very popular, and after a while, the product may be saturated, or outdated, and no longer popular. But our factories are still there, owned by the whole people, and the products they produce are completely unpopular, they can't be sold at all, the factories have to be kept, and the workers have to continue to keep them. This kind of behavior is obviously contrary to the rules of the market. Therefore, I think that in the area of enterprises, privatization reform can be carried out, and a large number of them can be sold, but only strategic enterprises cannot be sold. ”

He Jingqiang asked: "In Liu Ju's view, what kind of enterprise is called a strategic enterprise?" ”

The so-called strategic enterprise, or strategic enterprise, has not been a very clear definition, and experts and scholars hold their own words.

"Closely related to national defense, of course, are strategic enterprises, such as the weapons industry, steel, energy, and so on. In some developed countries, the Ordnance Industry Group, the Energy Group, the Iron and Steel Group, including the mining enterprises, are all privately operated, but the government is absolutely not laissez-faire, there is a complete bill to regulate the operation of these enterprises, and the major actions of the enterprises must be allowed by the government. This is a model that we can learn from, or we can not learn from it, or we should follow our own model, and the state will manage these national defense strategic enterprises in a unified manner. In addition, I believe that industries that are closely related to the vast majority of people are also strategic industries. For example, water treatment companies, food production, power companies, education, medical care, these are all closely related to the daily life of the whole people, and they are also strategic industries. Water companies, grain groups, power companies, education and medical industries should all be supervised and planned by the state and the government, and cannot be industrialized, let alone marketized. This is because every government should ensure the most basic food, clothing, shelter and transportation for the masses. When these industries are marketized and commercialized, our lifeblood will be handed over to private individuals, and the government will gradually lose its due function. This one doesn't work. ”

Liu Weihong pondered and said slowly.

"There should be a very clear and very clear definition of which companies can be sold, which companies cannot be sold, which industries can be marketized, and which industries cannot be marketized. Of course, in the actual operation process, there will be a lot of resistance, and there will be a lot of opposition and doubts, but we must resolutely resist it. We cannot disarm ourselves. Once the livelihood industry is controlled by private individuals, or even by foreign forces, our government will be 'kidnapped' and become involuntary. And our current domestic environment, there is a high possibility that we will be kidnapped by this kind. First, many of our cadres do not understand the market and the economy. Second, because they are greedy. ”

Liu Weihong said unceremoniously.

He Jingqiang did not refute Liu Weihong's opinion this time, but nodded thoughtfully and said, "Liu Ju, please continue." ”

"However, I still think that the premise of selling the enterprise is that the laid-off workers must be settled. No matter which country's bankruptcy law is, there are clear provisions that when an enterprise is sold in bankruptcy, the wages and compensation of employees are the first priority to be paid. Only after this clause has been satisfied, and the excess money can be used to pay off the debt. The purpose of the bankruptcy law is to protect vulnerable groups and ensure social fairness and justice. This is also the most basic duty of the government. If the proceeds from the sale of the enterprise are not enough to pay the wages and compensation of the employees, then the government is obliged to make up the difference. No matter how many reasons there are, people's livelihood should always come first. This is the greatest basis for guaranteeing our long-term rule. No matter how powerful and rich a country is, it is very dangerous if it fails to create a relatively fair and just social environment. ”

Speaking of this, Liu Weihong paused slightly, and after a while, he continued: "Mayor He, I once talked to you about selling some enterprises and raising funds to build roads. ”

"Yes, I did."

"Selling some state-owned enterprises is a kind of business activity. The funds obtained from commercial activities can be used for commercial purposes. Mayor He, that's my opinion. The government is essentially an arbiter who decides how the money is allocated and how it is spent. A large part of our revenue comes from taxes. Taxes really should be taken from the people and used by the people. Therefore, I insist that the Pingyuan Municipal Government should first devote itself to the construction of the people's livelihood, invest most of the government's financial revenue in the field of people's livelihood, and strive to improve the social security system. ”

"What about economic development? Where does the funding for urban infrastructure come from? ”

"Make money!"

Liu Weihong said simply and clearly.

"Make money?"

"Yes. The government has to make money and, of course, attract investment. Just like the state-owned enterprise restructuring model you are carrying out now, I think it is very worthy of recognition in the general direction. It is much better to sell all these non-strategic enterprises and hand them over to the private sector to operate, and to hand them over to professionals who really understand the market, than to be managed by the government. As long as the laid-off workers are well settled, this method is correct. The development of urban economy cannot always be based on the idea of taxation, let alone crowding out people's livelihood funds. For example, building roads. When the government has sufficient financial resources, we can invest in road construction. If the financial resources are insufficient, they can apply for a loan, or directly issue a contract to the outside world, sell the construction rights of the entire highway and the right to operate it in the future, and use foreign capital to complete the construction. The nature of a businessman is to chase profits, and as long as it is profitable, he can always find a partner. Commercial things are solved by commercial means. He Jingqiang smiled slightly and said, "Bureau Liu, we can't ask every mayor to be an excellent businessman. ”

Liu Weihong said with a smile: "Strictly speaking, our mayor should be better than businessmen. The mayor does not do business, but he wants businessmen to serve all citizens. There are five million people in Pingyuan City, and everyone can be the boss, but there is only one mayor. ”

He Jingqiang smiled and shook his head.

The atmosphere of the conversation seemed to have eased unconsciously.

"Mayor He, I mainly want to talk about education reform and health care reform."

The smile flashed, and Liu Weihong became serious again.

"Okay, Bureau Liu, please speak."

Liu Weihong said in a deep voice: "In this regard, my opinion is very clear, it cannot be industrialized, let alone marketized. This is a typical competition with the people! ”

He Jingqiang didn't say anything, just looked at Liu Weihong.

"I know that there are indeed many irrationalities in the education model and medical model we have implemented in the past, and the government is all-inclusive, and the financial pressure is very high, which is a big burden. But no matter how great the financial pressure and how heavy the burden, this is something that our government must bear. This burden cannot be passed on to the masses. It is the most basic duty of the government to ensure that every child can afford to go to school and that every sick person can afford to see a doctor. Otherwise, what is the government going to do? ”

He Jingqiang said: "Liu Bureau, the necessary reforms still need to be carried out. In addition to financial pressure and burdens, with the development of the economy, the masses are becoming more and more affluent, and they will also put forward higher requirements for education and medical care, hoping to get better education and medical services. ”

Liu Weihong waved his hand lightly and said, "Mayor He, this is not a contradiction. As I said, it is possible to carry out the necessary reforms, but not to the detriment of the fundamentals. Some people who got rich first have higher requirements, yes. We use a parallel system. Public schools and private schools run in parallel, and public hospitals and private hospitals run in parallel. Public hospitals and public schools are open to the vast majority of the general public, while private schools and private hospitals can charge their own fees and are aimed at groups with special requirements. We must be aware of the fact that at the present stage, the masses who have become wealthy are still a very small minority, and the majority of the masses have just solved the problem of food and clothing, and they have a little surplus money in their hands. The education reform and medical reform that Pingyuan is now carrying out are all-encompassing, which has made the price increase several times at once, and all the masses, whether they like it or not, must accept this new price, which is unreasonable. Education and medical care must be run by the government, and prices must be kept within a relatively low range. To put it bluntly, we are now carrying out such industrialized and market-oriented reforms, which means that we are collecting taxes from the masses in disguise, and all the responsibilities that should have been borne by the government have been passed on to the masses. Mayor He, the reform and opening up has only been going on for more than 10 years, and our masses have not accumulated much wealth in their hands. Whether to hide the wealth from the people or the wealth from the country, I choose the former. We can't always do this kind of thing to compete with the people, and in the long run, this is destroying our foundation! ”

He Jingqiang was silent and lit a cigarette again.

"Bureau Liu, this is a big policy!"

After taking a few puffs of cigarettes, He Jingqiang said in a deep voice.

In fact, He Jingqiang is now a little "surprised" by Liu Weihong.

Liu Er is going to challenge the entire vested interest group with his own strength!

It's really a lot of guts!

Doesn't he know that the maker and promoter of this big policy is Mr. Hong?

Liu Weihong said indifferently: "Mayor He, I know that this is a big policy. But we should also have our own opinions. Mayor He, I don't plan to revise the content of the annex, but the form of the report can be changed. You can report it in the name of the Pingyuan City Government! ”

He Jingqiang's pupils contracted suddenly.