Dong Quanqing said: "Secretary Qiu, the so-called market economy and planned economy are not completely contradictory, not either/or. Many times, they are deeply related to each other. To take the road of market economy, the government cannot do everything, but this does not mean that the government completely lets go and pushes everything to the market. Especially at the beginning of the transformation, many people still have little understanding of the laws of the market, and it is even more necessary to have the management and guidance of the government. Even in those countries in the West where the market economy is particularly developed and perfect, the government will still strictly supervise industries that are related to the vital interests of the majority of the people. Agriculture and fishery are the basic industries in Yunhu County, involving more than 80 percent of the county's people. In order to do a good job in this matter, the government must not stay out of it. Because farmers and fishermen are very weak individually, they cannot complete the upgrading of the industry on their own, and it is even more impossible to understand the information of the outside market. It is necessary for the government to unify sales, collect information, and manage to complete upgrading. ”

Qiu Mingshan nodded and said, "Soldiers are impermanent, and water is impermanent. The use of wonder, in one mind. ”

You Limin groaned and said: "Professor Dong, Fan Hongyu, to comprehensively coordinate the upgrading and sales of agricultural and sideline products and fishery products in the county, I am afraid it is not enough to set up a sales company in the county, right?" ”

Fan Hongyu replied: "It's definitely not enough. Every district and township must set up a corresponding cooperative organization to deal directly with the masses at the grassroots level. ”

You Limin said: "We have such an institution. For example, supply and marketing cooperatives. ”

Fan Hongyu shook his head slightly and said, "The functions are different. The supply and marketing cooperatives are one-way, from top to bottom, mainly for product sales. The purchase of agricultural products is very rigid. The pricing is single, and so is the method. The acquired category is more homogeneous, and it is difficult to play its due role. ”

"In that case, wouldn't it be necessary to add another organization and add many off-duty cadres?"

Yu Limin asked very seriously.

The cadres are exceeding the standard and the organization is bloated, which has always been a problem that You Limin is very concerned about. And this problem, as time goes on, will only get worse.

Fan Hongyu said: "Governor, this question. We have also considered, adding institutions, not people. The cadres and staff of the new organization are all transferred from other departments. For example, supply and marketing cooperatives, economic and trade commissions. Units such as the Bureau of Agriculture and the Bureau of Fisheries can transfer personnel to work in new institutions. The current number of government personnel has already exceeded the standard, and if the number of additional personnel is added, the burden on the public will become heavier and heavier. ”

Yu Limin nodded slowly.

Qiu Mingshan said: "County Magistrate Fan, in Yunhu, you may be able to do what you said. Add institutions, don't add people. But in other counties, I'm afraid it may not be possible. ”

Fan Hongyu smiled slightly and said, "Secretary Qiu." I believe that, at least in Yanhua, it will definitely be able to do it. ”

The key to this matter lies in whether the attitude of the person in charge is resolute. As long as Qiu Mingshan is still in the post of secretary of the Yanhua Prefectural Party Committee. If the entire Yanhua region wants to implement his model, it can be done.

Yu Limin said: "You try first. If it proves to be effective, then consider further rollout. The corresponding pieces and supervision measures must also be in place. ”

Judging from You Limin's attitude, he has fully recognized Fan Hongyu's "unconventionality" in Yunhu, and no matter what kind of new tricks he has, he did not hesitate to agree to let Fan Hongyu try first.

The so-called pilot counties should indeed have such privileges.

"Professor Dong, could you please talk about the third point. The social security mechanism is sound. ”

It can be seen that You Limin listened to Dong Quanqing's words very carefully, and You Limin remembered the three major aspects that Dong Quanqing said clearly.

Dong Quanqing didn't rush to speak, he groaned, and after a while, he said: "Governor You, this is a pure academic discussion, I just talk about things, and I don't have any other meaning......

As soon as these words came out, the faces of everyone present suddenly became more serious.

It seems that Dong Quanqing also realized that the topic he was about to talk about might "violate the ban", so he had to speak first.

After a while, You Limin bowed his head slightly and said, "Professor Dong, I have already said that this is a pure gathering of friends, a private chat, and I invite Professor Dong to speak freely." ”

Dong Quanqing nodded and said: "That's the case, the topic of sound social security measures was raised when we discussed the restructuring of public enterprises in Yunhu County. According to the county magistrate Fan, Yunhu County is one of the four pilot counties for the restructuring of state-owned enterprises stipulated by the province. As for the specific way of restructuring each enterprise, County Magistrate Fan has long been confident. It is not too difficult for these loss-making state-owned enterprises to turn losses into profits......"

"Really? So sure? ”

You Limin glanced at Fan Hongyu and asked indifferently.

Fan Hongyu said with a smile: "Governor, at this stage, it is indeed not difficult for public enterprises to turn losses into profits. The market economy of the whole country is still in the stage of exploration, and whoever seizes the opportunity will be able to occupy a place in the market. The real difficulty lies in how to resettle the surplus cadres and workers who have been eliminated after the restructuring of the public-owned enterprises. This problem was encountered when Yanhua was restructured. So far, no perfect countermeasure has been found. Pushing laid-off cadres and workers into society is not necessarily the best way. ”

You Limin said in a deep voice: "The enterprise can't digest it, and it can't be pushed into the society, so what should I do?" The government does the lump sum? ”

Qiu Mingshan and Fan Weiguo both showed very concerned expressions.

As Fan Hongyu said, the restructuring of state-owned enterprises in Yanhua has been completed and very good economic benefits have been achieved. The real problem is the resettlement of laid-off workers.

It's tricky indeed!

Without waiting for Fan Hongyu to answer, Dong Quanqing said: "In principle, this is the case, Governor You, for unemployed workers, it should indeed be done by the government!" ”

Everyone's eyes fell on his face again.

Dong Quanqing said calmly: "Governor You, Secretary Qiu, Commissioner Fan, unemployment is a global problem. No matter how economically developed a country is, unemployment is an inevitable problem and one that the government must properly address. This involves the perfection of the social security system. Unemployed workers in Western countries are guaranteed in at least three ways. The first aspect of protection comes from the company where I used to work. When a company lays off employees, it must pay a certain amount of compensation according to the number of years of service of the employee in the enterprise. This compensation, in general, can guarantee the unemployed workers at least three months without problems. The second aspect of protection comes from the government's unemployment benefits. During the period of unemployment, workers can apply for unemployment assistance to ensure their livelihood. The third aspect of guarantee is the sound reemployment training for the whole society. A small number of these training institutions are run by the government, and most of them are run by the private sector. After participating in such training, unemployed workers can find new jobs as soon as possible and end their unemployment. ”

"At present, in Yunhu County, the protection of these three aspects is not sound. In the absence of any guarantee, only a compensation payment will be issued, and the redundant employees of the enterprise will be dismissed, directly pushed to the society, and will be left alone. Personally, I think this is very irresponsible. Once the compensation is exhausted, they do not find a new job, have no new source of livelihood, and the government does not pay unemployment benefits, and survival immediately becomes a major problem. If the number of unemployed workers is not large, it may not have much social impact, but if the number is large, it will cause serious social problems, which will have a great impact on the reputation of the government. ”

China's first "Labor Law" has not yet been promulgated, and the compensation that workers should receive when they are laid off and unemployed is not clearly stipulated.

You Limin frowned slightly and asked, "Professor Dong, your suggestion is that the social security system should be improved in Yunhu County before the reform of state-owned enterprises can be implemented?" ”

Dong Quanqing groaned and said, "Governor You, in order of precedence, it should be like this. However, according to the actual situation of Yunhu, it is not possible to complete the establishment of a sound social security system in a short period of time. It will take at least a year or two. Those public-owned enterprises in Yunhu generally suffer serious losses, not to mention a year or two, even if it is a few months, it is difficult to survive. Therefore, we discussed with the county magistrate Fan and thought that we could go hand in hand, while carrying out enterprise restructuring and improving the social security system. And there is no need to be greedy for perfection at the beginning, if you want to improve all the social security systems, you can first establish a social security system for laid-off workers. By making a separate list of these areas and doing a good job first, we can solve the worries of laid-off workers and workers, and the reform of the entire public-owned enterprises will be carried out with confidence. ”

You Limin immediately stared at him and asked, "How to solve the social security funds?" Who will manage it? ”

Dong Quanqing looked at Fan Hongyu again, Fan Hongyu nodded, and said: "Governor, we think so, the social security fund enterprise will contribute a part, the government will raise a part, and if necessary, you can also borrow a little from the bank to save the emergency." For the time being, management is under the control of the Labor Bureau. As long as the state-owned enterprises can achieve very good results after the restructuring and ensure the source of funds for the minimum living standard for laid-off workers, they will be properly resolved. Therefore, it is imperative to reform the system, and if you don't change it, you will starve to death. If you change it, you may still encounter a lot of problems, but it's better than not changing it. ”

You Limin said in a deep voice: "This matter must be cautious, and before it is implemented, it is necessary to take into account all the possible situations, be meticulous, and improve a little." You guys get the feasibility report out first and show it to me. ”

"Yes, Governor."

Fan Hongyu replied respectfully.

You Limin's care for him is really meticulous, and he is ready to come forward to block the arrow for him in person.

After all, this is not only a problem in the economic field, it involves the basic system, which is relatively sensitive, and Fan Hongyu is soft-spoken, and may not be able to withstand it.