Zhang Jialai is less than fifty years old, and he looks younger, and like Shen Kang, he is also a department-level official with old qualifications. Xu Haodong just checked on the Internet with his mobile phone, Zhang Jialai has been working in the personnel system for a long time, and before becoming deputy director of the Office of the Central Leading Group for Deepening Reform, he was the director of a certain bureau of the Central Organization Department.

After sitting down, Xu Haodong first made a request, "Team Leader Zhang, you are leaders like Minister Shen, so I ask that you either call me Xiao Xu or call me Haodong." Otherwise, I wouldn't be comfortable. ”

"Okay, it's called Haodong." Zhang Jialai smiled heartily, "However, I said Haodong, we are not leaders, we are here to work, and we are only responsible for the part of the work that we should be responsible for." ”

Xu Haodong immediately said: "Please rest assured, Director Zhang, Minister Shen, that the Yunling Municipal Party Committee and Municipal Government will fully cooperate and do a good job in this pilot work of institutional reform." ”

Shen Kang smiled and said, "Haodong, don't be nervous. Okay, let's talk about it. ”

Xu Haodong also smiled, "Minister Shen, can I be casual?" Do I dare to be casual? ”

"That's right." Shen Kang nodded, "It's still work time, and if you want to talk about it, you can talk about work." ”

Zhang Jialai asked: "Haodong, how did you arrange the pilot work of institutional reform?" ”

Xu Haodong said: "Tomorrow morning, please guide the group to officially enter the city administrative center building, according to your requirements, your office is divided into two parts, three leaders on the twelfth floor, other comrades on the first floor. We work at nine a.m. and leave work at half past five in the afternoon, with an hour-long lunch and lunch break. ”

Zhang Jialai nodded and said: "Very good, Haodong, don't misunderstand, the other comrades are working on the first floor in order to facilitate the guidance group to contact the masses and ordinary cadres." ”

Xu Haodong said: "Tomorrow afternoon, it will be a mobilization meeting for the pilot of institutional reform, and 1,000 people will attend the meeting, and at the same time, all townships, towns, departments and units will watch the meeting live through video. The meeting was presided over by Acting Mayor Kong Zhenghao, first Minister Shen made a speech, then Director Zhang announced the main content and specific arrangements for the pilot work of institutional reform, and then I made a statement on behalf of the Yunling Municipal Party Committee, and finally the secretary of the town and state gave a lecture. ”

Shen Kang said: "Haodong, according to the instructions of the superiors, reporters can be invited to the mobilization meeting, and it can be broadcast live to the outside world. ”

Xu Haodong nodded, "According to your requirements, the first part of the work is scheduled until the Spring Festival holiday, and the main content is to hold a symposium attended by people from all walks of life. A total of 20 forums were arranged, with the participants including retired cadres, in-service civil servants, media reporters, deputies to the National People's Congress, members of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, entrepreneurs, foreigners, ordinary citizens and leading cadres at all levels. In order to reflect the objective authenticity of the symposium, the participants of each symposium can be randomly selected by your guidance group, and only need to be notified one day in advance. ”

Zhang Jialai was very interested in the random selection, "Haodong, will they come?" Is there any compensation for those who come to the symposium? ”

"There is no compensation, it is all voluntary and voluntary." Xu Haodong said: "Director Zhang, we have hundreds of public electronic screens in the city, and there are two in the municipal square, and these public electronic screens are the best channels for citizens to directly participate in politics. Before New Year's Day, we issued an announcement to the public that anyone who is willing to participate in the symposium, anyone over the age of 18, can register through the public electronic screen. So, your random selection is from those who have already signed up. ”

Zhang Jialai sighed, "How many people have signed up so far?" ”

Xu Haodong said: "It is very enthusiastic, so far, at least 100,000 people have signed up. Oh, and you can keep up to date with your registration through our government intranet. ”

Zhang Jialai said: "Haodong, you are very open and liberated here. ”

Shen Kang said: "Lao Zhang, there is a loudest slogan here, the people's government is for the people, and the people's government is in charge of the people. The citizens of Yunling are of high quality and are very willing to participate in politics. ”

Xu Haodong said: "Director Zhang, Wang Weiming, Director of the Propaganda Department of the Municipal Party Committee, and Gao Haifeng, Director of the Office of the Municipal Government, are responsible for directly cooperating with your work, and I and all the members of the four sets of teams are on call. ”

"Okay, okay." Zhang Jialai said: "Comrade Haodong, first of all, I would like to express my gratitude on behalf of the steering group, and secondly, I hope that it will not affect your daily work. In addition, I would like to emphasize that we are here to work, so don't treat us as guests, we will abide by your rules and regulations. ”

Shen Kang said with a smile: "Lao Zhang, when it comes to rules, you can rest assured. The rooms we live in are 600 yuan per day, and we won't charge you a penny. Also, if you forget to pay, they will send the list to your unit. ”

"Haha, that's what we want." Zhang Jialai said with a smile: "Comrade Haodong, I solemnly declare that if there is any problem between me and our guidance group, or if someone violates the rules and disciplines, please do not be polite." ”

Xu Haodong said: "Please rest assured, Director Zhang, we are not polite in this regard." ”

Nodding, Zhang Jialai asked, "Haodong, in your personal opinion, what do you think is the biggest problem in our existing government agencies?" ”

Xu Haodong was silent.

Shen Kang said: "Haodong, this is not a presumptuous discussion, so you can say it directly." ”

"The problem is obvious." Xu Haodong said: "The problems existing in government agencies are known to the superiors, we also know, the people know better, and in fact, everyone knows about them." First of all, of course, there is the issue of efficiency, and with the current institutional setup, there is a lot to be done to improve work efficiency. The second is that the responsibilities are not clear, the things that should be managed, the blind management that should not be managed, formalism, and too many showmanship. There is also unclear power, often a department, the use of power is too arbitrary, is not only the rule-maker, but also the rule enforcer, both as a referee, as an athlete, and even as a toll collector, the phenomenon of substituting punishment for government is extremely widespread. Therefore, in the final analysis, there is also a problem of supervision and restraint, and in daily work, it is very difficult for various government departments to be supervised and restrained, and it can only be corrected after something goes wrong, and the political and economic costs are too great. A thousand words are summed up in one sentence, and we should realize the rule of law under the unified leadership of the party and restructure the distribution of power. ”

Zhang Jialai said: "I have read your report on the zero-fee system of government departments you have implemented, and it is very good." ”

"Well, I want to make three points." Xu Haodong said: "First, our financial situation is good, and the government can afford the cost of this aspect, so we can smoothly implement the zero-fee system for government departments. Second, so far, there are less than 20 departments that have implemented the zero-fee system, and it will be next year that all of them will realize the zero-fee system. Third, although the zero-fee system is implemented, the fine system of the relevant departments cannot be abolished, and the departments that currently have administrative law enforcement powers, including the public security bureau and the tax bureau, still have a clear fine system. ”

Zhang Jialai snorted, pointed at Xu Haodong, and said with a smile: "Haodong, you haven't finished talking yet." ”

"Director Zhang, Minister Shen." Xu Haodong said slowly: "Since I was removed from office in 2013 to the present, I have been thinking about a statement, that is, the separation of the party and the government. This statement is easily misleading, and it also invisibly weakens the position of the ruling party, and if I were to say it, I think it would be more appropriate to call it the division of labor between the party and the government. ”

Zhang Jialai was silent.

Shen Kang pointed at Xu Haodong and said solemnly: "Comrade Xu Haodong, you mentioned a sensitive topic. ”