Chapter 133 can be of great use
"Japan has been closed to the world and has banned trade. If you can trade with them, it will not only be a competition for the benefit of the people, but a benefit for the people. ”
"It is not only taking its advantages, but also being able to train the navy, which is killing two birds with one stone."
When his words fell, he suddenly made several Pingzhangshi look strange.
"This kind of thing, I am afraid that Dawan will be recruited for the poor soldiers of the Han Dynasty. Moreover, although Japan is small, it is still impossible to conquer the Mongol Yuan Kingdom in the past. Wanli's aid to the dynasty shook the muscles and bones, so that there was a disaster of the east. ”
Liu Yu replied: "This time and that time. Wasn't it because the Mongol Yuan could not conquer Japan because it had no navy? Westerners can now reach Guangdong and Macao from 40,000 miles away, and if they learn the art of sailing, will they not be able to go to Japan alone? ”
"As long as you can besiege it with a navy, you will be able to accept it over time. With Busan in North Korea as a port, only 35,000 elites are needed, and with the speed of sea ships, they can disturb Nagasaki today and Edo tomorrow, and they cannot prevent it. ”
"Besides, Japan is narrow, and even if you want to move the border and forbid the sea, you can't retreat fifty miles."
"Our dynasty is a teacher of benevolence and righteousness, one does not cede land, the other does not seek wealth, as long as Japan pays tribute and opens up trade, our dynasty can protect Japan from the invasion of Westerners, such a good thing, will they refuse?"
"Maybe I can't figure it out for a while, but the sails of the Navy arrive every three or five days, and within half a year, there will be smart people who will figure it out. If the lord of the country can't figure it out, someone else will help him figure it out. ”
"At that time, the money and trade will be endless, and it will have no navy, and it will be obedient, and it will no longer dare to be disobedient."
Li Gan had heard Liu Yu's intimidation about the threat of Westerners at sea in the future, and when he listened to it again at this time, he thought to himself that this is not a copy of what you said about Westerners threatening the country and dynasty back then?
It's just that compared to the days of the cutting off of transportation, the opening of the imperial examination, etc., this is much simpler, as long as Japan can pay tribute, trade, and is not allowed to ship.
Since it is tribute, it belongs to the clan.
If the Westerners also wanted to trade with Japan, if they threatened with military strength, the Celestial Empire would naturally protect the vassals.
It sounds like it works.
Of course Li Gan knows about the fact that there is a lot of silver and copper in Japan. Li Gan also knew about Japan's lockdown of the country.
It's just that he never had such an idea as "forced trade".
From Li Gan's point of view, there is another benefit to this matter.
Liu Yu's previous Westerners threatened the southeast and scared him, according to Liu Yu, only 20,000 soldiers were enough.
If the Chinese dynasty had trained the new army and navy according to the Western military system, the threat to Japan would be about 5,000 soldiers based on the comparison of their size.
If these forces can be relied on to subdue Japan, it will prove that Liu Yu's intimidation is not groundless, but a real threat.
In any case, this idea of "raising the navy with the navy" can at least justify itself and make sense.
At that time, the Zheng family could rely on Japan's trade to become rich and rival the country, and Japan had more silver and copper, and the copper minted by the dynasty was not enough now, so if it could open up trade, it would indeed be profitable.
It does need a navy to open it up for trade.
Li Gan looked at the rest of the people, and the British Duke smiled slightly, and said in his heart that Liu Yu was slippery, and kept his mouth shut about the customs affairs of Fujian, Guangdong, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, and other Western customs, but put the answer of "raising the navy with the navy" to Japan.
That's a good idea.
Because the West is different from Japan, the Westerners are begging for trade, while Japan is closed off from the rest of the world.
If you want to get more money from the trade of the Westerners, you must either close the redundant customs and trade in one go, so as to facilitate the management and collection of taxes; Either you have to learn from the Song Dynasty and the official monopoly of trade.
No matter which point it is, it will cause an uproar, violent fluctuations, and even Jiangnan erosion.
However, if we start with Japan, we can see real benefits and prove that it is feasible to raise the navy with the navy; Second, for the time being, there is no need to touch the interests of smuggling businessmen in Jiangnan, and there will be no violent shocks.
It will be much simpler to raise the navy with Japan, and when the navy is successful, it will be much simpler to enter the South Seas.
If there is a direct flight to Japan and the trade that Japan is forced to switch, will it still be a problem to transport grain and rice from the south?
If you can use the sea to scrap the transportation, you can save an expense and alleviate the fatigue of the people.
In a general sense, it makes sense that Japan has not paid tribute for a long time, and the six divisions have moved to it.
The British public secretly praised it, thinking that he was indeed a talent, and he said before that it would take five years to achieve it, and I am afraid that it would take another five years to do this.
In the past ten years, there is no need to touch the interests of Caoyun and Jiangnan smuggling, and it will not cause violent turmoil. It will be more feasible to wait until the navy has a small success, and then deal with the affairs of Jiangnan.
So he asked Liu Yu another question.
"You just said about North Korea, this North Korea is not another North Korea, how will North Korea deal with it?"
"Back to Pingzhang."
"If you want to make Japan pay tribute, you have to control Korea. Now that the chaos in the DPRK has not yet subsided, the DPRK should take this opportunity to increase its control over the DPRK. ”
"An angel stationed in Korea, if there is anything else in Korea, it can be a prophet. Since Korea is a vassal of the country, if there is another thing such as killing brothers, the Celestial Empire will deal with it, otherwise how can it be called the four yi? ”
"Second, I asked more about the state affairs of the DPRK, and learned that the DPRK did not even use money, bartering, so that the people did not know that the money could be used. The country does not mint money, so it can ask the DPRK to use our money. ”
"Although our dynasty also lacks copper, if we control Korea and want to go to Japan to switch tribute, there will be no shortage of copper. Let North Korea use our money, and it will be a real vassal. ”
"The three North Korean paper, ginseng, etc., and my raw silk and silk can be exchanged for paper ginseng. If the country can be opened to trade, the people of Shandong will have another way to survive. Enough to trade back and forth. ”
"The fourth is that North Korea allows the Celestial Navy to use its ports, one for supplies, the second for drills, and the third for Ruoqing and Yu disasters, and can go around Korea and immigrate slaves to do Dusi and immigrate to Shibian. Once the navy has a small success in the future, it can go to Japan from Busan and other places to pay tribute. In addition, if there is a change in Korea, it can also be subdued nearby, so that there will be no ambitious rebels to ascend to the throne of Joseon. ”
When the British heard about it, they thought that I was just trying to increase their control over North Korea so that it would not cause trouble in the future.
What do you want to do, but you want to completely control North Korea and turn foreign vassals into fetters?
However, these requirements seem to be achievable.
Now there is civil strife in the Korean state, and the canonization of the new Korean king has been suppressed by the Daesun court.
I just want to ask for more conditions.
If these conditions are added to it, the king of Joseon should be able to accept them. Otherwise, one can agree with the statement of the uprisers in the south: the current king of Joseon was ascended to the throne by killing his brother.
Such a good opportunity, if it is not used, it is a pity in the eyes of the British public.
There is no need for a single soldier in the imperial court, and even those who go to Korea to be canonized not only do not have to spend a penny: according to the experience of the previous dynasty, they can still ask for at least 20,000 or 30,000 taels of silver in bribes.
It's a big deal that the imperial court will not give the officials this opportunity to make a fortune this time, be honest and honest, show the style of the Heavenly Dynasty, and get this matter done.
A little intimidation, and North Korea will accept it.
The British prince thought to himself, Liu Yu blackmailed the Rakshasa Zhuyu in the north, and I can be regarded as having learned the blackmail.
The idea of letting "North Korea use the money of the country" made the British feel that they were indeed old.
When it comes to vision, after all, it is still not as good as this young man who can explain the causes and consequences of the Ming Dynasty's use of silver as a tax currency.
He knew that the Korean state did not have money now, and it did not mint money.
In the first few years, the people basically returned to barter, and according to the Korean envoys, the North Korean people had even forgotten the concept that money could buy things.
At first, the British thought that Korea was crying poor, because they were afraid that they would say that they were rich, so that the Celestial Empire would let Korea pay tribute to copper, silver, etc.
But he sent someone to inquire about the Korean musketeers who had been recruited, and he was convinced that the Korean tribute envoys were really not crying poor, but really had not minted money for many years.
In addition, North Korea basically reverted to the system of two classes of nobles controlling the government, and the place was small, whether it was the requisition of the people or the expropriation of goods, it was not as troublesome as the Celestial Empire, and there were indeed fewer places to use money.
The Korean envoy once said: "The foolish people don't know what money is, and it has been 200 years since the last time they used money." ”
What's more, the DPRK's forced practice of money transactions, even "ordering the people to bring 50 money each, and those who do not bring it are guilty", is of no avail.
The people of North Korea do not recognize money at all, have never touched money, and have no interest in money.
Therefore, "the money was ordered to be traded, the whipping was bad, the businessmen were not good, and the complaints were overflowing", and the North Korean minister who promoted money at that time was impeached and gotten out.
Now the money has been restored, but it is still not enough.
This pot still has to be carried by Dashun.
In accordance with the teachings of Taizong, he did not close himself to the country and allowed overseas trade.
Although Japan was closed to the rest of the country, Dashun merchants still squeezed out a piece of the sky, snatching a lot of Japan's already small share of copper exports, and the rest was divided by the Netherlands and other countries.
The trade of the Korean state was basically under the guise of tributary trade, and when the tributary envoys came to Beijing, they would bring some private goods or silver, buy silk from Dashun and bring them back, and then transfer them to Japan for trade.
However, under Dashun's trade policy, local merchants could go directly to Japan to trade. The goods that Korea obtained in this way could not compete with those Dashun merchants who went directly to Japan from Fujian to trade.
Under the squeeze, North Korea cannot trade copper.
There is no copper, coupled with the strict ban on mining, and the fact that money has not been used since the rebellion at the end of the Ming Dynasty, North Korea has really not used money for many years.
If you can get North Korea to use Daeshun's money, let North Korea open trade and only allow trade with Daseon, let North Korea allow Daeshun's navy to anchor in North Korean ports for supplies, and let Dashun's angels be stationed in North Korea...... This kind of control is not much different from the restraint.
What is money?
Money is copper.
Copper, the Celestial Empire is indeed lacking, and it is not allowed to be exported.
However, if North Korea can be controlled, in the long run, it is completely possible to use North Korea as a springboard to solve Japan's affairs.
The Celestial Empire lacks copper, but Japan does not.
If Korea can be controlled, once the navy rises, won't Japan's copper be the Celestial Empire?
Such an opportunity is in front of us, if you don't take advantage of it, and think that the Celestial Empire is already short of money, if you let North Korea also use the Celestial Empire's money, I am afraid that it will be even more lacking...... This is the ultimate short-sightedness.
The British public thought that Liu Yu had basically given the solution to various problems in the policy theory when he said this, and it was basically certain that Liu Yu was a safe person who did not just talk about the general situation but had no means, and was about to ask the emperor if he would end this inquiry.
But he didn't want Liu Yu to say again: "Your Majesty, taking North Korea and Japan as examples, there are other uses for these two." ”
"The minister flipped through some and learned that in the last year of Wanli in the previous dynasty, the customs tariff was 20,000 taels a year. Nowadays, our dynasty respects the legacy of Taizong, trade and trade, Fujian, Guangdong, Zhejiang, and Jiangxi customs, and merchants trade back and forth, although the tariffs levied are eight times that of the previous dynasty, but only 160,000 taels. ”
"How should tariffs be determined? How are taxes charged? The minister believes that reform is also needed. It is just a matter of reform, and it should not be rashly moved, and it should be tried out with small things as a sample. ”
"If it works, use it. If it doesn't work, don't. ”
"For trade with the DPRK and Japan, the new policy can be tried on a trial basis. North Korea does not trade with our DPRK, and Japan does not close off the country. Not many people benefited, and the impact was not significant. Even if the new policy is ineffective, it will not shake the important land in the south of the Yangtze River. ”
Therefore, the minister thought that when the customs should be built in Dengzhou, Shandong, trade with Japan and the DPRK. The Western Tariff Law was asked and tried as a sample. ”
"One as an attempt."
Second, it is also possible to cultivate some specialized talents, or to run schools with the knowledge of officials and recruit children. If it is feasible in the future, it can be promoted in Fujian, Guangdong, Jiangsu, Zhejiang and other customs. ”
"There is no tax collection there, on the one hand, there is smuggling, and on the other hand, it is bound to be deceived by the officials, and the interests are deep. If we can take advantage of the trade affairs between Japan and North Korea to train a group of new students who are proficient in accounting and accounting, they will not have to worry about being deceived by officials when they go south in the future. ”
"Therefore, the minister's policy of the South Seas and Western Regions is divided into twenty years."
"Five years."
"The Wudegong branch was established in Dengzhou, and young and skilled geometric surveyors were selected to learn from them. Construct Western sea ships and try to navigate to Korea and Japan. ”
"Squeeze out trade and get Japanese copper and silver."
"Establish a new school in Dengzhou, and fill it with those who can't enter the Wude Palace from the old five camps, and learn the accounting of Xu officials."
"With the trade between Korea and Japan as a supplement, it doesn't cost the imperial court too much money."
"Ten years."
"The navy is thick, and the tax law is changing."
"Locked Japan in Korea and asked him about the crime of not going to Korea. Japan was forced to switch trade, and the tributaries submitted. ”
"He also used the navy to carry Qing and Yu immigrants, and entered the slave to do the capital to immigrate to the real side."
"Twenty years."
"When the new customs law can be promoted, and the navy can compete with the Westerners in the South Seas, then our sea frontier will have no worries from now on."
"After that, it may be like the Han Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty to protect Anxi, and my dynasty to protect the South Seas. Then the strategy can be done. ”
Li Gan didn't wait for the rest of the people to express their position, so he said: "Good! What Qing is right is very much in line with my heart. Stand down. ”
The rest of the people didn't say anything, so Li Gan asked Liu Yu to retreat first.
As soon as Liu Yu went out, Li Gan asked the British Duke first.
"What do you think?"
The British public pondered for a moment and said: "Whoever accumulates wealth is nothing more than open source and throttle." Wang Jinggong's open source is quite inconvenient for the people and difficult to promote. Liu Shouchang's method is to open a sweet well in the desert. ”
Regarding the gains and losses of Wang Anshi's change, since Dashun used the three-rounding method, it was naturally discussed after some discussion. Although there is a saying "rule the world with scholars, not with the people", there is indeed a big problem.
It is an obvious Tuogu reform, using the name of Zhou Li, but practicing the art of the Legalist, and it is also the set of Legalist hegemony of the Spring and Autumn Period and the Warring States Period.
Although Dashun said that it was a combination of kings and tyrants, he really didn't dare to do it.
Jiangnan is involved in the stability of Dashun, and it must not be moved until there is a feasible and effective method.
Even if you know that there is definitely a big problem with taxes now.
Originally, whether it was Li Gan or the British public, they all thought that Liu Yu said that he would build the navy and expand the South Sea, and he would definitely do it in Jiangnan.
According to their thoughts, the acres of land should be checked, the gentry should pay grain, and the tariffs should be reformed, otherwise where will the money come from?
didn't want Liu Yu to mention Jiangnan for half a sentence, but took a big detour from Japan and North Korea that no one expected.
North Korea itself has no formal trade with Dashun, but all trade is smuggling. Even the private trade of tributary missions was theoretically impermissible.
Japan is closed off from the rest of the country, and the trade volume on the surface is not very large.
Starting from these two places, the vital interests of the Jiangnan region have not been touched: the North Korean smuggling syndicate in the Liaodong region may have been touched, but Liaodong is not Jiangnan and there will be no major problems.
As for how to squeeze out the trade volume from Japan, Li Gan is sure that since Liu Yu said it, there must be a way. It's just that this way...... It may not be convenient to say here.
It's all a conspiracy, clearly telling you to do this, but you are helpless.
When it was done, it did not touch too many interests, and there were almost no voices of opposition, that is, the British public so-called "opening a sweet well in the desert".
After the basic formation is completed, there is nothing to be done if you want to oppose it: the navy has been formed, and the officials of the Xinxue Training Department have guaranteed that there will be no collusion of interests in the short term, and then they will be suppressed with a thunderous force, what can you do with me?
Liu Yu originally scared Li Gan that India would be controlled by Westerners in 30 years at most, and now the solution he has given is that he can compete with each other in 20 years.
Twenty years, he can still afford to wait.
What the British Duke is most worried about is that Liu Yu followed Li Gan's impatient and reckless temperament, and deliberately made great steps in order to win the favor of the saint.
He certainly won't live for twenty years.
However, the most worrying thing now seems that Liu Yu is very sober-minded, and he can be relieved.
So he said: "The minister thinks that this son can be of great use." ”
This is a very high evaluation, in the previous examination admissions, the British public has never used the word "can be used", at most it is a sentence of "available".
Li Gan thought to himself, what the British public said was good, and it was indeed useful. Looks like I didn't choose the wrong person.