Wu Zheng laughed angrily, let go of the hand that was supporting Ma Shiying, let him continue to kneel on the ground, and said fiercely: "Okay, I want to hear how you, a smart person, think about my thoughts." ”

Ma Shiying snorted lightly: "Jinghaihou has the heart to resist the Qing Dynasty and restore his sight, Ma believes it and believes it." But it is not surprising that Jing Haihou has other thoughts besides this heart. If the king of Lu has been in charge of the country, and the day of the success of the anti-Qing Dynasty and the restoration of the Ming Dynasty, the prestige of the king of Lu will rise, and at that time, above the court, there will be a lot of clear streams such as rich Sule will strongly support the king of Lu to ascend the throne, not to mention whether the king of Lu and Jinghaihou are of the same heart, just say that the king of Lu is suspicious, and how can he not be prepared for Jinghaihou's self-respect? ”

"And King Lu, as a royal family, is also the king of Jingjing, even if Jing Haihou wants to oppose it at that time, I am afraid that he will not be able to get the support of the ministers, so Jing Haihou will have to be the enemy of the whole world. Unless Jinghai waits for the time to retreat bravely and preserve the reputation of the first generation. But according to the old man, Jinghaihou is by no means a person who is willing to be poor, you need to lay out for the future, which is the most important reason why you depose King Lu. ”

Wu Zheng sneered lightly, "Ridiculous! ”

"Whether it's ridiculous or not, Hou Ye naturally understands it in his heart. Let's talk about your support for Princess Changping to supervise the country, as I said earlier, King Lu is a man, and it is difficult to supervise the country, and there is a practice of taking advantage of the situation to ascend the throne. But Princess Changping is different, she is a woman, even if she has been in charge of the country until the great cause is successful, she must find a royal man again and inherit the unification. But if you want to find another royal man, you can't get around Jing Haihou, thinking that at that time, Jing Haihou was already in charge of a million troops, the Duke of Jin, and even the prince with a different surname. As long as it is not what Hou Ye wants, Hou Ye can veto it, whether it is the prison or the courtiers, they are blameless to Hou Ye. ”

Wu Zheng was a little stunned, is the old man in front of him the roundworm in his stomach?

But many things can't be admitted, so Wu Zheng scolded: "This is just your self-speculation with the heart of a villain." ”

Ma Shiying replied again and again: "Ma is naturally a villain, and the whole world refers to me as a villain and a traitor, and there is no shortage of waiting for a master." But don't forget that Ma, the villain, crawled out of the quagmire of party strife. ”

Wu Zheng said angrily: "Ben Hou originally wanted to find a comfortable and idle job for you, so that you can rest in peace for the rest of your life, but I don't want you to speculate on Ben Hou so maliciously, it's really hateful." After this day you will go away, not wanting to see you again. ”

The weight of these words is very heavy, if he loses the protection of Wu Zheng, Ma Shiying will be torn apart by those courtiers if he goes out now, and if he can survive tonight, even if Ma Shiying's life is great.

Therefore, Wu Zheng doesn't have to kill people by himself, and if he drives Ma Shiying out, he will be able to extinguish his mouth.

Ma Shiying is so sophisticated, how can he not know how powerful it is?

And provoking Wu Zheng was what he wanted.

So Ma Shiying bowed and said, "Please wait for the master to calm his anger and let me finish my words." ”

"Speak."

"If Hou Ye really has this thought, then he must be able to use Ma. Nowadays, most of the court is clear. ”

"Isn't it good to clear the stream, it's better for the country and the people than for the eunuchs and traitors!"

"Nope." Ma Shiying firmly denied, "There is a saying that Hou Ye must have heard, when the water is clear, there is no fish, and it is very easy to break, although Ma is in the ranks of the eunuchs, he still admires the loyal ministers and righteous people, but above the court, Qingliu is in charge of power, and it is not beneficial to the country and the people." ”

Wu Zheng sneered: "Joke, Qingliu is in power alone, it is better than a traitor in power, is it better to let the traitor be corrupt and derelict in his duties, and bring disaster to the country and the people?" ”

Ma Shiying sighed: "I'll give you an example, Hou Ye can understand." ”

"In the last years of Chongzhen, the imperial treasury was tight, and hundreds of thousands of border troops could not pay their salaries. The emperor wanted to levy three salaries, but these Donglin and Fushe people rejected it, and then the emperor insisted on levying it for a year, but because of the strong resistance of these people, it was abolished halfway, so that the border army soldiers had no pay to receive, causing mutinies and rebellions. Let me ask, is this kind of clear stream beneficial to the country and the people? ”

Wu Zheng retorted: "The original intention of the Qingliu rejection by the DPRK and China is also for the sake of the heavy burden of the people of the world, right? ”

It's just that Wu Zheng's tone is no longer sure.

Ma Shiying did not refute, but continued to give an example: "Okay, then let's talk about the Hongguang Dynasty two years ago, after King Fu ascended the throne, he was indeed debaucherous and extravagant, but the interception of taxes by the four towns was the real cause of the collapse, but if it weren't for these Donglin Party members, they wouldn't have died in a year." Hou Ye should know that with the Yangtze River moat as the boundary, the north and the south are opposed, and the vast land and population south of the Huai River, the imperial court collects grain, silver money, cloth and other property from all over the south of the Yangtze River every year to make up for the consumption of the imperial court. Coupled with the million-strong army of the imperial court, even if you can't go on the Northern Expedition, at least you can protect yourself. But in fact, the imperial court couldn't even distribute the officials' salaries. ”

"The treasury was empty, and before the Qing army attacked Yangzhou, it was this group of Donglin Party members who continued to fold up, advising the emperor to reduce taxes in various places, and even worse, to exempt taxes. If it weren't for Ma and Shi Kefa joining forces to veto it at that time, Hongguang Dynasty would have been able to support it for less than a year. Let's ask, is such a clear stream beneficial to the country and the people? They are not for the well-being of the people, but only for their reputation, Hou Ye must know that every time the Donglin Party in the Chongzhen Dynasty admonishes to reduce taxes, after the decree is issued, the people everywhere are still living in poverty, but in fact, the taxes of the imperial court have been so low that they can not be lower. ”

Ma was actually very puzzled in his heart, and in the past two years, he was able to relieve his doubts after traveling around the mountains, forests and fields. It turned out that the decrees of the imperial court did not fall on the heads of the people at all, and the people were still paying heavy taxes, and the heavy taxes paid by the people were divided among the local government, the gentry and the local royal family. Not only that, but they also relied on their tax exemption rights to wantonly annex the people's land, so that the people who lost their land rebelled one after another, which is the reason why anti-thieves emerge in various places. ”

Looking at Ma Shiying, who was talking eloquently, Wu Zheng had an illusion, is the honest in front of him loyal or traitorous, traitorous minister or capable minister?

The eunuchs are really all traitors, and Qingliu is really loyal ministers?

Wu Zheng sighed in his heart, the penmanship of the Spring and Autumn Period in the history book, which was written by the victors, between the lines, all represent what they want to say, and the losers can only accept it and can never refute it.

Just like the history of the Ming Dynasty, which was compiled by the opponents and enemies of the Ming Dynasty, can it represent what really happened in the Ming Dynasty?

There are also those people who participated in the compilation of the history of the Ming Dynasty, nine times out of ten are the ministers of the Ming Dynasty, they only rely on belittling and slandering the Ming Dynasty to cover up their sins and shamelessness in the Qing Dynasty.

And Wu Zheng, who has been coming to this troubled world for a long time, has found more and more that many things are not what he imagined at all.