The emperor thought that he had come up with an excellent idea, which could be called perfect, and he wanted to show his "business acumen" in front of Liu Yu, not the kind of pedantic person.

Who would have thought that the emperor would actually see the scene of Liu Yu's face changing drastically, not only did he not be like a fart, but hurriedly opposed it as if he was about to be beheaded.

The emperor thought that he was hallucinating, and pondered for a long time, feeling that he was right.

The only Westerners who could come to trade were a few East India companies.

In that case, why not communicate directly with the East India Company, where Westerners can grant monopoly rights to make money, but why can't they themselves?

Moreover, it is much better to trade directly with Westerners and obtain profits than to collect that tariff.

If you don't talk about the profit of three or four million taels of silver a year, and the profit of three or four million taels of silver a year, in addition to immigration and land reform, you can also allocate an extra one million taels to Liu Yu every year, no matter how you look at Liu Yu, you should be elated.

Thinking of Liu Yu's enthusiasm for immigration, thinking of Liu Yu's fanaticism and persistence in building the navy, and looking at Liu Yu's attitude at this time, the emperor was a little dizzy.

After a long time, Li Gan said, "Didn't Qing Mo hear it wrong? Or do you think that I have despised the navy, and if I can collect an extra three million taels, I should put all of them into the navy? ”

Liu Yu thought of a mouthful of trade just now, and almost subconsciously opposed it. Now that the emperor asked, his face gradually calmed down.

To say that after hearing that the emperor wants to invest two or three million taels more than a year for the navy, he is not moved at all, it is a lie.

You don't need to invest more than three million a year, even if you invest one million more a year, that's three capital battleships a year.

If you really want to do this, within ten years, Dashun will be able to reclaim Macao, and capture Malacca in Nanyang, Qixuanxi, Portugal, the Netherlands, and Britain......

But after calming down and thinking about it again, Liu Yu still refused.

All this stems from the emperor's thoughts.

If the emperor wants to give, he can give; If you don't want to give, you can not give. In this way, if the emperor has been forging ahead, it is okay, but once he touches the bottom line and starts to be conservative, it will be over.

"Your Majesty, please give me an example."

"Say."

The emperor was also very curious about what made Liu Yu's face so ugly.

Li Gan thought to himself that he had seen the strong ships and cannons of the Westerners, and also knew the level of Western firearms, and also understood the importance of exchanges, and he would continue to invest money in the navy.

Moreover, he can get a large amount of money to invest in the navy in a short period of time, and with his quick temper, he hopes to get a strong navy as soon as possible.

Why is Liu Yu opposed?

"Your Majesty, in the fourteenth year of Chongzhen in the previous dynasty, Emperor Taizu entered Henan, what is the slogan?"

This is the history of the founding of Dashun, Li Gan's Li is not Li Zicheng's bloodline, but he inherited Li Zicheng's throne, of course he remembers these things clearly.

Slowly, the emperor said four words.

"Equal fields, free grain."

Liu Yu also repeated it and said: "Juntian, free grain." After a stone, the Wu thief led the Dongyu into the pass, and after the battle of Jingxiang, what was the righteous banner of Emperor Taizong? ”

"Expel the Tartars and save the world."

Liu Yu said: "At that time, in order to protect the world, I compromised with the gentry. Didn't Emperor Taizong think that he would first expel the Tartars to protect the whole world, and then let the gentry pay grain in one piece, exempt themselves from privileges, and check the acres of land after the world was stable? ”

This kind of thing is lice on the bald head, but Dashun has not done it yet.

Liu Yu smiled bitterly: "It has been nearly ninety years since Taizu Xi'an was established. It was a temporary expedient measure, but now it is already deep-rooted, and it is only afraid that it will be difficult to complete the determination to fight the erosion of Jiangnan by thunderous means. ”

Therefore, expedient measures will have consequences. His Majesty wants to grant a monopoly, which is also an expedient measure, even if His Majesty wants to get money to build a navy...... The minister dared to ask. ”

"If there is a war against the West in the future, the Westerners will cut off trade, and when the time comes, will Your Majesty really be determined to see that the income of three or five million taels of silver a year will be gone? When the time comes, will His Majesty still be determined to dominate the Seven Seas? At that time, how many personnel related interests will be born, and even if they are abolished at that time, how can they be carried out? ”

Li Gan was silent.

What Liu Yu said seems to make sense.

At the beginning, the slogan of expelling the Tartars and preserving the whole world was also to compromise with the gentry. At the beginning, I also wanted to wait for the world to settle down and completely solve the problem of the gentry in Jiangnan, but after all kinds of accidents and obstructions, so that until now, even such things as checking the acres of land, the gentry paying grain, and exempting the Ding tax into the mu tax have not been completed.

At that time, I knew that it was an expedient measure, but later, the expediency was deeply rooted and difficult to eradicate.

Li Gan looked at Liu Yu and suddenly said, "Then don't you support the formation of a trading company against the Japanese and exercise a trade monopoly?" You know, it's not good, but you can collect money, facilitate jurisdiction, and reduce smuggling. Why are you for this and against that? ”

Liu Yu felt the need to make the difference clear.

"Your Majesty, grant a monopoly on the Japanese trade, and your Majesty may get tens of thousands of sailors who can be called up to ship at any time; get money; gain control of the Wa Kingdom; Hundreds of ships ready to transport grain and troops; I get the geographical mountains and rivers of the Wa Kingdom ......"

"And if you monopolize the government's trade with the West, what else can Your Majesty get besides money? Corrupt? Embezzlement? Drifting? There were no sailors, no sailors, no sailors, and no captains to compete on the oceans. ”

Li Gan smiled: "Qing is wrong. My money will also be invested in the navy. You can get sailors, crews, and warships all the same. ”

Liu Yu stiffened his neck and asked, "Your Majesty, since you can collect money by sitting on the ground, why do you raise a navy?" Isn't that a loss of money? ”

Li Gan was almost bypassed by Liu Yu, and after a moment of self-reliance, he couldn't help laughing and said, "Aiqing is really rare and confused!" You're putting the cart before the horse. Does it have to be useful to raise a navy? It's like raising an elite that is invincible in the world, do you have to use it if you raise it? Wouldn't it be better if there was no war in the world? ”

"Just like Aiqing said, with a strong navy, Westerners will not dare to try to attack the dynasty and erode the southeast. Why do you have to use it? If I don't use it, what can I do if I spend money to raise it? ”

Liu Yu waited for the emperor to laugh before asking: "Your Majesty can continue to invest money, how can Your Majesty guarantee that future generations will definitely invest money?" The former Ming Taizu could ensure that the prime minister was diligent and abolished, how to ensure that the descendants of later generations were so diligent? Your Majesty's expediency will be of great benefit in thirty years; But in the long run, it is not only not beneficial, but harmful. ”

"If there is a monopoly on the Japanese trade, Your Majesty can leave a million taels of annual income for future generations; left a steady stream of tens of thousands of sailors every year for Dashun; left for Dashun to have a well-known control over the Wa Kingdom; Leave hundreds of ships for Dashun that can be called up for combat at any time. ”

"And if there is a monopoly on trade on the shore, you will get nothing but money. Moreover, His Majesty Shengming can invest money in the navy, and the minister is convinced. Kechen couldn't believe that after a hundred years, the navy would still have money to invest. Therefore, in the short term, it may be advantageous to raise money; In the long run, it is very disadvantageous. ”

Therefore, this time, the minister took advantage of the opportunity of the Swedes to order porcelain to make the ship go to Europe. His Majesty occupies the largest share and is able to make a profit; In the same way, His Majesty was given a captain who had been to Europe, and a sailor who had been to Europe; a route to Europe; A supply chart along the way. ”

"Yes, the minister is opposed to the granting of monopolies on shore. If you sit at home and earn money, you will be lazy. ”

"Minister, oppose!"

This was the first time that Liu Yu formally opposed the emperor's opinion, and he did so as a righteous Earl of Da Shun.

Everything he did was to break the inertia of the Celestial Empire of "sitting at home and collecting money", for which he would rather wait a few more years, and would rather build a slower number of ships every year than the emperor to engage in such expedient measures.

To change the surname of the dynasty, only one person may be needed.

And to change the world, what is needed is a group of people, a group of interest groups that are completely different from the ruling foundation of Dashun at this time.

If the emperor can give it today, he will be able to take it back tomorrow, and he did not pin all his hopes on the emperor's "holy light".

Even this kind of "Shengming" may allow Dashun to swell into an invincible fleet east of the Cape of Good Hope within a few years.

But this is not a fleet at sea, but a fleet in the Forbidden City, and it is likely to be as short-lived as Zheng He.

Seeing that Liu Yu was so fiercely opposed, Li Gan was not unhappy, but carefully considered his thoughts.

"Aiqing, don't be impatient. Are Western countries retreating? ”

There is no way to refute this, the Western countries are closed at this time, monopolizing trading companies and mercantilist thinking, and only hope to go out and not want to enter.

According to the monopoly of the East Trading Company, if Dashun's merchant ships were sold at the port of Britain, the British government was obliged to sink Dashun's cargo ships and divide the goods. Even if it wasn't so intense, Dashun's merchant ships would never be allowed to enter the port.

"Yes. The Western countries are closed to Dashun. Liu Yu has nothing to refute.

"So, how long will it take for Aiqing to send a ship to Sweden to make a million dollars by relying on those smugglers who can't do it? According to what you said, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom have a total of 1.2 million warships, and our navy invests 1 million a year, how long will it take? I can only squeeze out 1.2 million taels to put into Weihai every year, and it has been almost ten years since you went to Weihai. ”

"For so long, there is not a single battleship, only six or seven cruisers, how can I not be in a hurry?"

"The annual income is nothing more than opening up sources and reducing expenditures. Isn't it open source when I do this? ”

Liu Yu shook his head.

"Your Majesty, you're not open source. You are competing with the people. The flow of water from the source has not expanded, but it originally belonged to the merchants, but now it belongs to His Majesty. ”

"Sending ships to Sweden and starting with smuggling to grow bigger little by little, that's what is called opening up sources and reducing expenditures. Because a load of tea, if it is sold for ten taels in Fujian, it can be sold to smugglers in Gothenburg for thirty taels. The extra twenty taels are called open source. ”

"The smugglers in Gothenburg, Sweden, are the open source of the Celestial Empire."

"You can only choose one of the two. If His Majesty has a monopoly on the customs, he also allows the ministers to send ships to smuggle in Sweden. Let me ask, if the Westerners accuse the ministers of smuggling and threaten to cut off trade if they do not deal with it, even if Your Majesty is on the side of the Chinese maritime merchants, will it be possible in a hundred years? ”