Chen Chen really didn't expect that Liu Bei would gamble everything completely like a red-eyed gambler, but the current situation has not reached that point at all.

Liu Bei is willing to do this, is it trust and respect for himself, or is he strong and confident in himself?

Chen Chen felt that no matter what the reason was, Liu Bei's bearing was enough for Chen Chen to recognize.

"People, what status?"

Liu Bei thought that Chen Chen would ask himself this question, but he didn't expect that it would be straight to the point, and the first question was this.

What kind of answer does Chen Chen hope to get?

Liu Bei has thought about it, but he has already made a heavenly oath that he will not say anything against his will in order to please Chen Chen.

Although Chen Chen is the son of a family, he is also a close disciple of the great Confucian Cai Yong, and from the perspective of Confucian morality, the status of the people is not low.

"Bei Chang is from the north, and he often burns fires in the winter, and if you want to keep the fire in the house alive, you must have enough firewood."

"In Bei's view, this fire is the Han, this firewood is the people, if there is no people's heart, the Han will be like a fire that has lost its source, extinguished in an instant, if there is no fire, the firewood is useless."

Liu Bei thought for a while and gave such an answer.

Chen Chen tasted the meaning of Liu Bei's words.

On the contrary, there are many people in power who prosper on the basis of the people, and the people who dedicate themselves to the right authorities.

Liu Bei's understanding is two-way, not just a single relationship between the monarch and the people, but to make the relationship between the two sides a transactional idea.

However, this kind of trading thinking is not full of philistine, but will make people see the relationship between the two more clearly, and can see more clearly about the joint efforts in the future.

It's just that Chen Chen feels that Liu Bei's idea is still a bit too idealistic, and there is not enough practical foundation.

There is not enough scientific program and systematic guiding ideology that can enhance the ideological realm of the Han people, and it is still relatively difficult to implement it if the people want to understand and accept this relationship.

Because Liu Bei was able to spread his personal charm, he relied on contact with people, and used his oratorical talent and practical actions to gradually convince people, and was able to maintain a high level of loyalty among the people under his rule.

This is feasible in a short-term, small-scale governance.

However, if the scope is spread to the whole country, there will be many problems in the whole world in the future.

Ordinary people are more likely to live on their own small families.

It's not that no one wants to serve their country.

After all, the state, the state.

These two words, the country is in the front and the family is in the back.

Over the years, countless heroes and martyrs have devoted themselves to the great cause of the country.

But I have to admit that most of these heroes and martyrs are not quite different from ordinary people at the ideological level.

In an era, heroes are always in the minority, even rare.

Because most are more for themselves.

There is nothing wrong with that statement.

If people do not do it for themselves, the heavens and the earth will be destroyed.

It's just that if we can make detailed and clear follow-up arrangements when building a huge system, I think many people will also be willing to work for the country and the group.

Because you have to show them that they are doing their duty, what they can bring to them, the follow-up of a stable family, the upbringing of offspring, and so many other factors.

As long as they know that after they dedicate themselves, they can have no worries, and even have the honor of a "national hero"!

There will be many people who are willing to do their best for the country and for the group.

On the contrary, if there is a group of moths within the country or within the group, or if the system is simply chaotic, there is no way for the people to trust themselves and give them their backs.

Then it will be more difficult for this group to gain the support and support of the people in the future.

And there will be fewer and fewer people who are willing to give everything for this group and move forward generously.

In the end, let the word hero become a derogatory term, equivalent to fool.

It can be said that Liu Bei's thoughts are the foundation that the future society admires and expects to establish, but what needs to be done and considered is far more than what Liu Bei thinks.

Some people may think that this kind of thinking will have a great difference and impact on the feudal society where the imperial power is supreme.

But in fact, in the Han Dynasty, a dynasty with strong folk customs and simple hearts, this kind of thinking is revealed in various details.

It's just that the existence of a family-based family has led to changes in the times.

Chen Chen thought a lot in a moment.

Liu Bei's answer was not a perfect score, but it opened a new door for him.

In fact, he never thought that in the early days of this feudal era, people would already be able to feel the relationship between the leader and the flock, and have some opinions of their own.

However, in fact, in the feudal era, the best answer may be......

Water can carry a boat, but it can also capsize a boat.

After all, in this era of monarchy, the concept of the monarch as the main perspective is easier for those in power to accept and easier for them to remember.

Chen Chen nodded at Liu Bei and added.

"Chen Chen knows."

Chen Chen did not rush to help Liu Bei interpret and express his opinions, but continued to ask the second question.

"What does Xuande Gong think of the family?"

After the people, there is the family.

This is also what Liu Bei has imagined, Chen Chen gave a very wide range, which seems to be easy to answer, but in fact it is more difficult to define.

Liu Bei felt that if he didn't answer the important points well, he might fail in this question.

Chen Chen was able to ask the second question, which showed that his answer to the first question was still unsatisfactory at least for Chen Chen, so he could deal with it seriously with confidence.

Liu Bei was silent for a longer time this time, he felt that he needed to answer this question more carefully, and the binding force of the Heavenly Dao Oath was still there, like a sword of Damocles hanging above his head, once he was deceived, this sword would be cut off directly.

For a while, Chen Chen, who was relatively close to Liu Bei, could see dense beads of sweat on Liu Bei's forehead.

"Xuande Gong, please rest assured, Chen Chen has always felt that the world is pluralistic, and disagreement does not mean that there is no common ideal, although Xuande Gong can just say his thoughts."

Chen Chen knew why Liu Bei was nervous.

Chen Chen is the son of a century-old family, although now Chen Chen's Chen family's single lineage is substantially different from those real families, but Chen Chen is still a young master who grew up with a golden soup spoon in his mouth after all, maybe his position is on the side of the family.

"Actually, I don't have much affection for the family."

Liu Bei exhaled a long breath, intending to say his truest feelings.

"Chen Chen, you are the son of a family, and Bei's ancestors are also considered to be real Han family relatives, but Bei was born a little cold, and he has come from the folk step by step to today, and he has no good feelings for most families."

Chen Chen looked at Liu Bei seriously, he knew that what Liu Bei said was not a lie.

Liu Bei was exiled and eventually established his own kingdom in Shuchuan, but he was always helped more by merchants, generals, and scholars.

And the family generally does not look favorably on him, or just uses him as a tool, thinking of discarding him when he is finished.

Even after arriving in Yizhou, Liu Bei was restrained by the local family.

But Chen Chen can't guarantee that Liu Bei will not change.

Because Liu Bei was only in his twenties at this time, and history proved that Liu Bei, who was forty or fifty years old later, gradually accepted the existence of the family in his development, and also learned to share the cake with the family.

This is indeed a matter of strength, but Chen Chen has no way to guarantee whether Liu Bei, who relies on the achievements of people from poor families, can maintain his heart and prevent the family from continuing to control the lifeblood of the country and the lifeblood of the people.

A deal with the Maison is inevitable.

But Chen Chen felt that the family could not grasp the most deadly things, those who could control the law and knead the power of the people at will.

"It's a pity that most of the talents are from the family, and if there are achievements in the future, it is bound to need to make deals with the family, but I hope that I can not forget my original intention and always put the people first. If there is a pastoral guard, we will try our best to open private schools and academies to provide a good learning environment for local children and scholars, and see if we can cultivate more talents. ”

"Bei doesn't care about the family, Bei cares more about talents, selects talents, only lifts, spares people, only looks at talent, not about background."

Liu Bei actually didn't know what to say, because most of the talents are still exported by the family now, and there are not many people who can really rise from a poor family, and he has no good way to solve this problem, so he can only show his attitude to Chen Chen.

Liu Bei's attitude towards education is very clear, because when Liu Bei was young, although his family was poor, there were two people in the family, but in terms of education and learning, his mother never treated Liu Bei badly, and she has always fully supported Liu Bei's attitude of studying hard.

Even if the family was poor, his mother borrowed money from his clan relatives in the village and sent Liu Bei out of the north to study in Luoyang, which also allowed Liu Bei to learn from Lu Zhi when he was young, and he was both civil and military, and he was successful in his studies.

When Liu Bei worshipped Lu Zhi as a teacher, Lu Zhi was still in the opposition, just a Confucian identity.

In fact, Liu Bei didn't think that he could rely on the teacher's relationship to get the opportunity to shorten the threshold for entering the core of the army, of course, he didn't expect that his teacher would be recalled not long after, and now he was squeezed out of the inner circle of the army, so he didn't lose much about escorting prisoners this time.

It's sad to be sad, and there's a job to do.

Chen Chen looked at Liu Bei with some surprise this time.

Education-oriented.

I really don't know if I'm a traverser or Liu Bei is the real traverser.

He was the first to feel the power of these legendary people who could be passed down through the ages, and the wisdom he had accumulated through the fog of thousands of years of time, Liu Bei was able to come up with similar ideas at this time.

He is worthy of a man who can start from scratch until he establishes one of the three major empires.

Chen Chen felt that Liu Bei's success was not accidental, and he also understood the deep meaning of Cao Cao's sentence "The hero of the world, only the king and the ear".

In the attitude towards talents, only Liu Bei and Cao Cao have implemented the same concept in the world.

For the family's methods and attitudes, in fact, Chen Chen himself has not thought clearly, although Liu Bei's answer is a little stiff, but it also makes Chen Chen understand Liu Bei's talent and education thoughts, which is a good answer.

Chen Chen is actually satisfied.

Even if he felt that at this time, when Cao Cao was asked the same question, Cao Cao might answer better than Liu Bei, because Cao Cao had already served as a parent official in a place, and he had more unique insights and solutions to practical problems than Liu Bei, who only stayed in theory.

Someone might be asking here.

So why not take refuge in Cao Cao?

Well.

Why?

In fact, Chen Chen didn't know, maybe it was a feeling, maybe it was just inappropriate.

Or maybe it was just because he was snubbed by Boss Cao at the beginning.

Or maybe Chen Chen had an innate rejection and aversion to Cao Cao's actions to slaughter the city in the future, but this did not hinder him.

In Chen Chen's heart, Cao Cao is still a hero.

Chen Chen seemed to be in a daze for a long time, Liu Bei saw that Chen Chen did not squeak, and was a little worried that his answer would make him lose the person who told him his destiny, so he gave Chen Chen a little wake-up.

"Chen Chen, I don't know the third question......

Chen Chen came back to his senses and looked at Liu Bei, who was a little worried in front of him, and the third question in his heart, he suddenly didn't want to ask it at this time, because on the second question, he saw the current Liu Bei's problem, Liu Bei has not really governed a place, and it doesn't make much sense to ask now.

"Xuan Degong's thoughts make Chen Chen admire, the third question will be in the future, you and I will be successful, Chen Chen will ask again."

As soon as the words fell, the heavenly oath on Liu Bei's job card gradually disappeared, Liu Bei got rid of that sense of restraint, let go of his whole body, and exhaled.

Chen Chen smiled and made a big gift to Liu Bei, this big gift was to thank Liu Bei for his kindness, and Liu Bei's gratitude for being able to do this.

"Xuande Gong attaches great importance to Chen Chen, and Chen Chen is very grateful."

After saying this, Chen Chen drove the horse to turn around and leave, broke away from the front of the team, returned to the carriage where he had rested before, and explained to the guards beside the carriage that before he got out of the carriage, do not let anyone approach the carriage.

"This kid! Why should the eldest brother be angry with him? ”

Zhang Fei was angry but Chen Chen's attitude, he didn't even have a letter on it, he was fishing for his eldest brother like a spare tire, and his eldest brother seemed to be obsessed with this kid.

Zhang Fei's handsome and tender little face even turned red with anger, and he had a fight with the second brother Guan beside him, if it wasn't for the eldest brother's attention, he really wanted to pick up the gun and rush over and stick that kid into his own snake spear.

But Liu Bei was not at all disappointed.

Instead, he stood in place, his body trembling with excitement, and it was not difficult to see his state, extremely excited.

Guan Yu grabbed Zhang Fei and began to brush his beard, although he is only in his twenties this year, but his beard has been raised well, it is very good-looking, he will put a few handfuls when he is in a good mood, but the movements are as gentle as treating a little wife.

"Stinky brother, people didn't refuse, why are you in a hurry?"

Guan Yu tasted what Chen Chen's words meant when he left suddenly, and gently patted his third brother's head, so that he could develop a good habit of not being in a hurry and thinking first.

"Didn't you say yes? Even the third question has to come to Japan......"

Zhang Fei's face was embarrassed, from red to pork liver, he was just anxious, not stupid, and naturally understood.