Today's weather is good, Li Jie stepped out of the naval camp, he has been living here for the past two days, mainly to accompany Zhang Dingbian and these guests, after all, there is no news from Zhu Yuanzhang's side, but according to Li Jie's estimate, Zhu Yuanzhang should agree to Zhang Dingbian's request.

Li Jie carried a small bucket in one hand and a fishing rod in the other, and soon came to the beach next to the water village, where the reef is full and the draft is very deep, but the waves are not big, and it is a good place for fishing.

However, when Li Jie came here, someone was already sitting on the reef and started fishing, and Li Jie was not surprised to see the other party, in fact, he came for this person.

"Daoist Zou, what have you gained?" Li Jie sat down on a reef next to Zou Pusheng, and asked him while packing up the fishing rod.

"The harvest is good, I caught two big fish, Li Banyu, you also like fishing?" Zou Pusheng also replied with a smile when he saw Li Jie.

"Of course I like it, but it's a pity that I rarely have time to enjoy fishing like Zou Daochang!" Li Jie also sighed when he said this, whether in his previous life or now, he seems to be very busy, and he has no time to cultivate his hobbies.

"Hehe, Li Banshu you are young and promising, it is the time to make contributions, and when you reach my age, you will find that there seems to be no better way to kill time besides fishing." Zou Pusheng laughed again when he heard this.

Li Jie also threw the fish hook into the water at this time, and then asked again: "Daochang Zou, I heard Master Mu say that since you went to sea, you have been living in Penghu, I don't know what life overseas is like?" ”

Li Jie has talked with Zhang Dingbian in the past two days, and he also has some understanding of the lives of Zou Pusheng and Li Hong, they live in Penghu, this Penghu does not refer to the Penghu Islands in later generations, but includes Taiwan Island, but the Ming Dynasty called it Liuqiu Island, Zou Pusheng and they lived on Liuqiu Island, which is one of the early immigrants in Taiwan.

Hearing Li Jie ask about life overseas, Zou Pusheng was silent for a moment, and then said: "Overseas is not as good as inland, where there are swamps all over the place, there are dense forests everywhere, there are not only fierce beasts in the forest, but also cannibalistic natives, and materials are also extremely scarce, such as cloth, oil and salt, which can be bought with money in the interior, but everything overseas depends on yourself!" ”

In fact, Taiwan has a tropical and subtropical climate, the island is full of rainforests, and the conditions are extremely harsh, and although the Han people began to move to Taiwan very early, the development of Taiwan is still limited, and most of the islands are still in a very primitive stage.

"Then you should be able to trade with the inland with overseas products, right?" Li Jie thought for a while and asked again, the shortage of materials is indeed a big problem, but if it can be traded with the inland, it can still be solved.

"How can it be that easy?" Zou Pusheng smiled bitterly when he heard this, "Those of us who go to sea have actually been classified as the Tan people, the imperial court has suppressed us, and the people have also rejected us. ”

When Zou Pusheng said this, the bitterness on his face was even greater: "Two years ago, the imperial court abolished the Penghu Inspection Department, and even moved the people on the island inward, which made our life even more difficult, and even some people simply went to be pirates, and the reason why we know everything about the Japanese is through these people!" ”

"The Penghu Inspection Division has been abolished?" Li Jie was also very surprised when he heard the news, the Penghu Inspection Department was first established in the Yuan Dynasty, although there was no clear scope of jurisdiction, but in general, the island of Taiwan was included in it, which was the first time that the Central Plains Dynasty set up an official agency in Taiwan, and Zhu Yuanzhang was still established when he founded the country, Li Jie thought that this institution was still there, but he didn't expect it to be abolished.

"It's been three or four years since it was abolished, and when there was a patrol inspection department in the past, we still complained that the inspection department squeezed us too much, but after it was abolished, there was no one in the Penghu area, which led to more chaos between the islands, but fortunately we joined forces with Li Hong and recruited some more people, and there were tens of thousands of people under our names, but no one dared to provoke them." Zou Pusheng sighed again at the end.

"If life abroad is so difficult, why don't you go back to live inland?" Li Jie thought for a moment and asked again.

"Back inland?" Zou Pusheng shook his head with a wry smile, "Overseas people can't go back at all, first, they don't want to, and second, they can't." ”

"What do you mean by not wanting to, and why can't you?" Li Jie asked curiously.

"Although life overseas is difficult, but at least there is a place to stay, but the inland is very strange to us, and there is nothing to go there, everything has to start from scratch, and most of the people who go to sea have their own hardships, such as those of us who are unwilling to betray the old master, and some of them have committed crimes and offended people on land, and have to flee to the sea, so we will never go inland unless we have to." Zou Pusheng explained again.

Li Jie also nodded in understanding after hearing this, Zou Pusheng's words also represent the thoughts of some coastal people, before Tang He wanted to let the coastal people move inward, the number of people involved was more, and their ideas must be more complicated, if it is really enforced, I am afraid I don't know how much chaos it will cause?

"Daochang Zou, there is a sentence I don't know if to ask?" I saw that Li Jie was suddenly silent for a moment, and then smiled again.

"Li reads with you, but it doesn't hurt to speak!" Zou Pusheng also smiled very boldly, but he could feel that Li Jie definitely didn't come to him for fishing, but for other things.

"If there is any offense in this question, please also ask Dao Chang Haihan!" Li Jie first threw his hand at the other party, and then asked with a serious face, "Life overseas is so difficult, in contrast, although the Japanese are dangerous, they can eat meat and drink a lot of wine, and the Taoist chief also said just now, some of you can't stand the suffering, and ran to participate in the Japanese Kou, in this case, why don't you directly incarnate as the Japanese Kou, so that you can live freely?" ”

As soon as Li Jie's words came out, Zou Pusheng, who was on the other side, also changed his face, and immediately said coldly: "Vice Li envoy you are what kind of people we are, although I can't wait, and I have to flee overseas after defeat, but I don't disdain to be a rogue who burns, kills, and loots!" ”

"Zou Daochang has a noble character, of course I believe in your character, but have you ever considered the future?" Li Jie still asked with a smile.

"What future?" Zou Daochang frowned and asked.

"Now you and Li Hong and others can still restrain their subordinates, but after a hundred years, on the one hand, you are living a difficult life overseas, and you may not even have food and clothing in the event of natural and man-made disasters, and on the other hand, the Japanese robbers kill people and set fires, but they live freely, what choice will these people make then?" Li Jie pointed out directly.

In the early Ming Dynasty, the real Japanese accounted for the vast majority, but in the middle and late periods, there were more and more false Japanese people, and most of these fake Japanese were actually Han people.

The reason why there are so many fake Japanese people, this is related to the policy of the sea ban, just started to make trouble, the Ming Dynasty in order to prevent them, simply issued a sea ban order, but the sea ban has destroyed the coastal people to survive, these people can not survive, simply go to the Japanese invaders, they are familiar with the terrain, causing greater harm, for this Ming can only strengthen the sea ban again, and the result is that more people do the Japanese bandits.

This is simply a vicious circle with no solution, and the most fundamental reason is the sea ban, which is why Li Jie fought with Tang He before, and also prevented him from further strengthening the sea ban.

In addition, it is worth mentioning that the sea ban is not as imagined by later generations, all ships can not go to sea, in fact, the sea ban only prohibits civilian ships, and official ships can still enter the sea, so during Zhu Di's reign, on the one hand, it was a strict sea ban, and on the other hand, it was a large-scale seven times to the West, but because there was no support from the people, only the emperor's decree was driven, so Zheng He's trip to the West was destined to end in tragedy.

Zou Pusheng is a smart man, and when he heard Li Jie's words, he suddenly showed a thoughtful look, although he didn't want to admit it, but reason told him that Li Jie's analysis was very reasonable, if he didn't intervene, after his death, his subordinates would either take refuge in the Japanese or simply become pirates themselves, and there was no other way to go!

Li Jie looked at Zou Pusheng in deep thought and smiled slightly, his purpose has been achieved, the sea ban of the Ming Dynasty is simply forcing Zou Pusheng and them to be robbers, in fact, this is like Dayu controlling the water, the sea ban is blocked, it may play some role for the time being, but sooner or later it will cause greater damage, so if you really want to solve the problem, you can only use the method of channeling.

Thinking of the sea ban, Li Jie also sighed, although he temporarily prevented the further strengthening of the sea ban, but it was not an easy task to let Daming completely lift the sea ban, Zou Pusheng They may be a good breakthrough, but whether it can work, he himself is not sure.

I don't know how long it took for Zou Pusheng to wake up from deep thought, only to see him suddenly stand up and salute Li Jie and say: "Deputy Envoy Li, you can see this problem, there must be a solution, and please help Lao Yu and others!" ”

Seeing Zou Pusheng, who was over the age of six, saluting himself, Li Jie also hurriedly stood up and saluted: "Daoist is polite, in fact, it is not me who can help you, but yourself, after all, those who help themselves, God helps, if you yourself are not willing to change the status quo, even if others want to help you, it is useless!" ”

"Vice Envoy Li, what do you mean......" Zou Pusheng heard that there was something in Li Jie's words, which seemed to imply something?

"Hehe, Daoist Zou can think about this matter by himself first, and after the extermination of the widows, let's talk about it again!" Li Jie smiled mysteriously and said, now is not the time to talk about this matter, after saying that, he turned around and concentrated on fishing, it seems that he does not plan to talk about this issue anymore.