"Is there any solution to that?"

Emperor Hongzhi thought about it for a long time, and carefully combined the history he had learned, and what Liu Jin said seemed to be really not wrong.

With the development of history, the whole center has been constantly moving south, in the Qin and Han dynasties, although the Jiangnan region is important, but far less than the Hanzhong region.

However, with the development of history, the status of the Hanzhong region became weaker and weaker, and the status of the Jiangnan region became higher and higher, gradually becoming the center of population and economy, and in the Southern Song Dynasty, it became the political center.

When the Ming Dynasty was founded, his ancestor Zhu Yuanzhang also relied on the wealth of the Jiangnan region to achieve great things, but the original Hanzhong region gradually lost everything originally.

One of the big reasons for this is that the Hanzhong region, the original place of origin of the Chinese nation, has become more and more deteriorating, and it is no longer suitable to become a political center.

The same is true for the entire northern region, which has a long history and has cultivated too many fields, and the forests and vegetation have been severely damaged.

If there is any natural disaster, it will immediately cause people in these areas to be displaced and the sky will be full of flames.

Although the current Ming Dynasty has gone through more than ten years of hard work by Emperor Hongzhi, it has improved in all aspects, and it is also known as Hongzhi Zhongxing.

But as the emperor, Emperor Hongzhi knew very well that this so-called Zhongxing was actually very fragile, and once there was a disaster or something, it would immediately be the same as recorded in the history books.

Not to mention anything else, the weather is too cold now, and the displaced people who can no longer survive are coming to the capital area, although the number is not much, but if this severe cold continues, it is estimated that in a few months, especially when the food is eaten, there will be more displaced people.

Therefore, Emperor Hongzhi is very clear in his heart, he is quite competent as an emperor, and this Zhongxing is still like this, if he meets an emperor like his father Ming Xianzong, then no one knows what the world will become.

In the end, most of them were like other dynasties in history, accompanied by peasant uprisings one after another, and finally the dynasty of the old Zhu family was overthrown.

Thinking of this, Emperor Hongzhi looked at Liu Jin deadly, hoping to find a good solution from Liu Jin, since Liu Jin knew this, he would definitely have some good solution.

Liu Jian, Xie Qian, and Li Dongyang heard Emperor Hongzhi's words, and they all pondered, they knew very well what Emperor Hongzhi was thinking about now, for Emperor Hongzhi, nothing was more important than the inheritance of the old Zhu family.

"The solution is actually as simple as it is as difficult as it is difficult to say."

"One is nothing more than continuous migration and expansion, just like our ancestors, from the Hanzhong region, slowly migrating and expanding to every corner of the entire Ming Dynasty."

"Constantly evacuate the population of the north and move the surplus population to areas with better natural conditions, so that even if there is a disaster in the north, if the population here is relatively small, there will not be much of a problem."

"The other is to use coal instead of charcoal, reduce deforestation, and pay attention to protecting the mountains."

Liu Jin thought about it and said, thinking in his heart, is it a bit too advanced to talk about protecting mountains and forests in this era.

"Migrate people, protect mountains and forests?"

When everyone heard this, they all thought about it carefully.

"This population has migrated, who will cultivate this land?"

Li Dongyang thought for a while and asked, in the era of small-scale peasant economy, all this was maintained on the land, and the most important thing about being an emperor was agriculture or nature.

Even when Zhu Yuanzhang founded the country, he formulated a strict policy to strictly prohibit the movement of population, all in order to lock people to the land, and only in this way can the society be more stable.

"Our dynasty has always implemented the household service system, in order to prevent the flow of population, and now you say that you want to relocate the population, which is contrary to the ancestral system."

Hearing Li Dongyang's words, Emperor Hongzhi, Liu Jian and others also nodded slightly, this household service system is a national policy set by Zhu Yuanzhang, and it has been running through until now, how can it be easily changed.

"Well, during the Taizu period, how many hukou did I have in Daming, and how many people did I have?"

"Up to now, how many hukou and how many people do I have?"

Liu Jin thought for a while and asked rhetorically.

"During the Taizu period, there were about 10 million households in the Ming Dynasty, with a population of 60 million, and now there are 9 million households with a population of about 50 million."

Xie Qian reported the data almost without even thinking about it.

"Do you think this data is accurate?"

"When I opened the country, the world went through the poison of Yuanhu, the population was 60 million, and now more than 100 years have passed, although there have been several twists and turns, but on the whole, it is still peaceful and peaceful, the population of our dynasty has not only not increased, but decreased, only about 50 million."

When Liu Jin heard this, he immediately laughed, he didn't expect that land annexation in this era has been so serious, and in the past 100 years of development, the population has not only not increased, but has decreased.

This is the official statistics of the Ming Dynasty, which shows that the number of hidden people in the whole world is very large, and it can even be said that at least tens of millions of people are hidden.

Why hide these populations, it is nothing more than to pay less taxes, no need to serve forced labor, in addition, the local gentry and wealthy families will have a large number of people hidden, the more hidden population, it means that the more powerful the land annexation.

Hearing Liu Jin's words, Emperor Hongzhi, Liu Jian, Xie Qian, Li Dongyang and others were also slightly stunned, they had only seen this number before, but they had never thought about this problem.

"yes, why is the population decreasing?"

They all thought about it carefully, and soon, they had some answers in their hearts.

"In the era when there was no war, under the policy of encouraging childbirth, the population of the whole country must have been growing, and the population counted now is even smaller than when the country was founded, and there must be a large number of people who have been hidden, and the hidden numbers are absolutely very staggering."

"Let's not care why a large number of people are hidden, we are just talking about the relationship between this population and the land, after speaking, you may understand that the times are changing, and the country's policies should be constantly adjusted according to the changes of the times."

Liu Jin looked at the slightly stunned crowd, smiled and continued.

As a person of later generations, as long as you have studied history a little, you know that the number of people who hid in ancient times was absolutely very large, and the gentry and wealthy families who hid the largest population naturally had the root cause of all this because the population was linked to taxes and forced labor, and hiding the population was almost a way to evade taxes.