After listening to Liu Jin's words, everyone fell into deep thought.

The relocation of five million people from three provinces is not a trivial matter, but it is a major event that affects the livelihood of five million people.

In this day and age, it is difficult to leave the homeland.

No matter how good the outside is, it is not as good as their hometown, and many people are reluctant to leave their homeland even if they suffer in their hometown.

Once the imperial court forcibly relocates five million people, the people in these three provinces will definitely be boiling with resentment.

Although the imperial court itself is also for the good of the people in these places.

"Liu Jian, you are from Henan, you must know the situation in Henan very well."

"Tell me about the situation in Henan."

Emperor Hongzhi pondered, thought for a while, and said to Liu Jian.

"Your Majesty~"

"According to the latest population statistics, the population of Henan is less than four million, which is far less than the southern provinces of Jiangxi, Zhejiang and Fujian."

Liu Jin thought about it and said very solemnly.

His meaning is very clear, how can there be more people here in Henan, and the number of people counted by the government is less than that of any southern province.

"How is this possible~"

When Liu Jin heard this, he couldn't help but retort.

Liu Jin from later generations knew very well that Henan has been a populous province since ancient times, and the population of Henan Province alone in later generations was almost 100 million.

As for Jiangxi and Fujian, they are not as large as Henan's population.

Just by looking at the topographic map, you can know that Henan is dominated by plains, and Fujian and Jiangxi are mainly mountainous and hilly, how can this population be more than Henan's.

"This can't be wrong, the annual tax collection here is based on the population, we are less than 4 million in Henan, Jiangxi if I remember correctly, the population is 12 million, and Fujian also has 7 million, which is far more than my Henan."

Liu Jian heard Liu Jin's suspicions, and hurriedly said.

"Your Majesty, my lords, this data is only the data recorded in our official statistics, and it does not indicate the actual population number."

"Henan is basically plains with a lot of arable land, while Fujian and Jiangxi are both mountains and forests, and arable land is scarce, how can this population be more than Henan."

"There must be a large number of people who conceal it, and a large number of people are not counted in the register."

Liu Jin thought for a while and said.

It was normal to conceal the population in ancient times, because the government counted the population, which meant that you had to bear the corresponding conscription, and you did not have to serve it without statistics.

Therefore, as long as it is possible, it will try not to enter the statistics of the government.

When later generations of experts and scholars estimated the population of a certain dynasty, they would often double the data of the government to calculate, so that they could estimate the population more accurately.

Population concealment is particularly severe in the north.

In later generations, Shandong, Henan, and Hebei were all large provinces with high populations, but in this era, the number of people counted by the government was far less than that of the south.

A very important reason is that the environment in the north is harsh, and the time required to serve in conscription is relatively long every year, and there are few people in the land, and many people will become slaves of large families if they can't survive.

The number of invisible people in this part is very large, and Liu Jin even suspects that it is more reasonable to count several times more in the number of government statistics.

This is not the case in the south, where the natural conditions are good, and it has always been far away from the flames of war, and this conscription is very light, and in addition to the vast land and sparsely populated population, there are naturally fewer cases of concealing the population.

"It is common for the people to conceal the population, regardless of whether it is north or south, there are people who conceal it."

When Liu Jian heard this, he immediately shook his head slightly and said.

"The northern region is heavily forced into labor, and the population concealment is much more serious than that in the southern region, Fujian is known as the eight mountains, one water and one field, but Fujian's population is 7 million, how can this Henan be less than 4 million?"

"What's more, Henan's area is even larger than Fujian's, and the population is nearly three million less, who would believe it?"

With me to use data to speak, Liu Jin is naturally my favorite.

Compared with Fujian, Henan has a larger area and more arable land, but this population is 3 million less than Fujian, and no one believes it.

Hearing Liu Jin's words, Emperor Hongzhi and the ministers also nodded one after another, and they could see it by looking at the map.

Fujian is all mountains and forests, Henan is a plain, and the area is larger than Fujian.

"This~"

Liu Jian suddenly didn't know how to answer.

I didn't compare it before, but now when I compare it carefully, I immediately know how huge the number of people hidden in the northern provinces is.

"Interesting~"

Emperor Hongzhi suddenly showed a strong interest.

The population statistics of ancient times were far less accurate than those of later generations, and it can even be said that they were very inaccurate, and a large number of people were concealed in various forms to achieve the purpose of exempting from forced labor and taxes.

After all, in ancient times, there was no benefit to reporting the population, but there were many disadvantages, such as poll tax, forced labor, etc., which were all levied according to the population register, and those who could not be counted should be counted as much as possible, and those who could be concealed should be concealed as much as possible.

According to the population of later generations, the population of Henan Province is almost twice the population of Fujian Province, which is more reasonable, and now it is almost only the average of Fujian, which is too much to conceal.

"The migration of five million people from Shaanxi, Henan, and Shanxi provinces is huge, but we don't have to move out in a day or two."

"The entire resettlement plan can be roughly divided into five or ten years, and one million people will be relocated to Liaodong every year, and the pressure on the imperial court will be even less."

"And we can gradually explore a more mature population migration strategy, and continue to improve the imperfect places."

"In this way, the people who migrate to the Liaodong region can also adapt to the environment of the Liaodong region as soon as possible, and live and work here in peace and contentment, and then turn the Liaodong region into a happy land for my descendants of Yan and Huang."

Liu Jin thought about it and said.

He knew what the princes of the court and the central government were worried about, and it was an extremely difficult task to move a million people to Liaodong at once, and this long distance alone was enough to discourage countless people.

What's more, after arriving here in Liaodong, the most basic things such as houses, grain, and farm tools must be prepared, and these must also require the imperial court to contribute money and efforts.

In the past few years, although the imperial court has become much more financially well-off, if it wants to come up with a large amount of money to do this thing, it will definitely be overstretched immediately.

In addition, since ancient times, forced immigration has not had a good reputation, after all, the concept of the countryside is too strong, and the ideology of the homeland is also deep-rooted.

However, this thing must be done, Henan, Shaanxi, Shanxi these places, as the traditional Central Plains land, it has borne the weight of thousands of years of Chinese civilization.

The environment is already quite poor, and it has reached the brink of danger.

The population here does not migrate out in large numbers, and even with high-yielding drought-tolerant crops such as corn and sweet potatoes, the end result is the same when the population swells.

There are too many good places in the world, and now is a good time to seize the colonies, and if you don't work hard to go out and seize them, you will definitely regret it.

Hearing Liu Jin's words, everyone nodded one after another, just a little off topic, back to the issue of developing Liaodong, it is necessary to relocate the population to Liaodong.

Liu Jin's step-by-step approach is also more recognized by everyone.

It is as if the opening of the sea with Tianjin as a pilot project has indeed achieved very good results now, so in the south, after the deliberations of the princes of the DPRK and China, it was decided to lift the sea ban in Nanjing, Songhu, and Guangzhou, and allow them to go to sea to do business.

There is also the military system reform, Liu Jin also proposed a pilot, the effect is also quite good, the new army trained in advance made Emperor Hongzhi very satisfied, the combat power is strong, but also kicked the Wa State, punched the grassland Wara, and now it is also to win the Jurchen Tartars.

This method is very old-fashioned even in Liu Jian and Li Dongyang's opinion, try it on a small scale first to see the effect, and improve it if there are deficiencies.

When it comes to national affairs, it is very appropriate to adopt such an approach.

"Your Majesty, I think this law is very good."

"First from Henan, Shaanxi, Shanxi, each province to send 100,000 people to Liaodong, first look at the effect of immigration, constantly improve the immigration policy, accumulate experience, and then slowly promote the large-scale promotion of the ministries."

"Not only Liaodong, but also my Ming Dynasty has obtained many new territories in the Ryukyu and Nanyang regions, and will carry out colonies in the Golden Continent, Australia and other places in the future."

"I think that we can first use the Liaodong region as a pilot to accumulate valuable experience for our Ming colonization of the world in the future."

British Gong Zhang Mao stood up in support.

He has always supported this kind of thing that benefits the country and the people.

Of course, the most important thing is that his interests and Liu Jin's interests are the same.

With the development of Liaodong, many industries under his command can also develop rapidly in Liaodong, and the rolling silver will flow into his pocket at that time.

Like mining, forestry, shipbuilding, etc., the same is true for colonies around the world in the future, how can no one go to these colonies, so from now on it is necessary to lay the foundation for the future.

First erect a good example and let everyone see that trees are dead and people are alive, and you can really have gold and silver nests when you leave your own kennel.

In this way, the enthusiasm and desire of the descendants of China to emigrate and expand abroad can be stimulated, without the desire and enthusiasm for foreign expansion, even if Liu Jin is tired to death, it is very likely that he will be busy in vain at that time.

The fact that the Europeans were able to colonize the world was inseparable from their strong desire to expand, and the desire for wealth was the initial motivation for their global expansion at the beginning.