In the luxurious living room of the battleship "Caesar" at the "Caesar" Hotel, Joseph and Pope Pius VII had cordial and friendly talks and had a cordial discussion with the Pope on the question of the construction of spiritual civilization in Ireland. Joseph made a suggestion to the Pope, who suggested that it would be better for the Holy See to focus on medical care and education, so as to ensure both revenue and the image of the Church.

Pope Pius VII expressed his approval and gratitude for Joseph's suggestion. At the same time, he also expressed some concern that the Republic of Ireland does not intend to establish a state religion and is ready to learn from France and implement a policy of "freedom of religion".

"I'm not saying that France's policy is bad, but there is still a difference between Ireland and France, France has always been the core of Catholicism, and the French have been orthodox believers for generations, and they are also the most favored by God, so even if there is no state religion, the French people will still adhere to the correct faith. But Ireland is different, these days, I talk to the Irish priests, and I find a lot of problems, because of the persecution and suppression of those evil heretics, there are already many problems with the understanding of the doctrine of the brothers in Ireland. Although they were loyal to the faith, the poison of heresy had infiltrated over the years. How can a policy of religious freedom be adopted at this time? Pope Pius VII said.

"Your Majesty," said Josephus, "what other important heresies are there in Europe today besides the Catholic Church?" It is nothing more than the Orthodox Church in the East, and the heresies who call themselves Protestant. These heresies, though cunning and adept at seducing the Lamb of God, are they not as good as those heresies if there are priests who uphold the right faith and preach the true Gospel to those Lambs, with the power of God? ”

At this point, Joseph paused again, and then said: "Relying on the power of God, the Catholic Church of the Orthodox Faith is completely incomparable to the other two heretics in terms of missionary power. Your Majesty, how many seminaries do you have, and how many seminaries do those heretics have? Their theology is no match for ours. And, how many priests can we train each year, and how many can they make? Therefore, in terms of missionary power, and with our help, the Catholic Church can do far more than those heretics when it comes to charity.

For example, Your Majesty the Pope knows, that in terms of the level of medicine, the level of medicine in our France is far superior to that of other heretical regions. And if the Catholic Church cooperates with us, we will open all kinds of church-affiliated and charitable hospitals in Europe. Think about it, what kind of effect will it be? I do not believe that the Lamb who has been led astray by heresy will not be sick. When they get sick, do they go to the low-level hospitals of the heretics, or do they go to our high-level hospitals?

Perhaps individual, too stubborn people will cling to their superstitions. But the medical effect of our hospital can be seen as long as there are eyes. Although theoretically, the level of medicine has nothing to do with the purity of faith. However, the common people do not think so, they only think that since this hospital belongs to the Catholic Church, and it can save their lives like this, it means that the Catholic Church is the right faith.

His Majesty the Pope Jesus Christ said: 'How ungodly are the people of this age.' There are no miracles for the people of this age. But isn't the progress of medical care a miracle? Didn't Jesus perform miracles when He preached the truth? Without walking on the sea, without five fish and two cakes, would there really be so many people following him? Even now, how many of those heretical believers are not affected by miracles? Now that the miracle is in our hands, are we still worried that the sheep will follow the heresy? ”

Pius VII nodded and said, "The progress of medicine is God's reward for our piety. It's just a very big project to build a charity hospital on a large scale. ”

The meaning of Pius VII's words, Joseph understood as soon as he heard it, to put it bluntly, it was this old guy who was worried about money. Obviously, in an era that has not been baptized by modern life, even a pope still does not understand that charity is the most profitable business.

"Your Majesty, in fact, there is one thing you have thought about?" Josephus said, "Jesus said, 'For whoever will save his life will lose it; Whoever loses his life for my sake will have life. In fact, whoever only wants to keep his money with him will lose it; and he who gives away his money will receive more money. Charity hospitals can receive donations, and with our influence, we can get tax exemption for charitable hospitals in many European countries. In addition, we can also do graded medical care, which means that our charity part is only for the people with very low incomes, and we have to charge for the rich people who receive treatment here. And we can also make it clear that the money collected from them will go to charity - but honestly, what is the church's activity that is not charity? ”

Indeed, what is the activity of the church that cannot be labeled charity? Even if you build a lavish cathedral with all kinds of extravagant gadgets, it can be said to show people's piety and please God - isn't this a public good, not charity? Even, even if you get that money, put it all in the bank and don't use it, and only take a part of the interest, such as taking 3% of the money every year to do good deeds, is that also for sustainable charity? In later generations, many charities actually spent only 3% or 4% of their total assets on charity every year - this is almost the norm.

Obviously, Joseph's words suddenly opened a door for Pope Pius VII, allowing Pope Pius VII to see a landscape that he had never seen before.

"Ah, Dean Bonaparte, what a ...... It's really worth researching. Pius VII smiled so hard that his eyes narrowed into a slit, so much so that the pupils inside his dark yellow eyes seemed to become slits.

Two days later, the battleship "Caesar" returned to Le Havre. At Joseph's invitation, His Majesty the Pope and Joseph boarded the train to Paris for a visit to France.

According to the tentative plan drawn up on the ship, His Majesty the Pope was to go to Paris to meet with Napoleon's consuls and the ministers of Lucien, to discuss how to build an "empire of charity".