"Brother Mengde, where is he going?" The team suddenly became a little quiet, and it was still a little uncomfortable for Chen Mo, who was used to being lively, but the people around him obviously didn't dare to answer casually, so Chen Mo could only talk to Cao Cao.

"Friends beckon, go to Luoyang." Cao Cao is a self-familiar character, and it is not convenient for the two to speak, so they simply jumped into Chen Mo's car and sat side by side with him.

"It just so happens that I am also going to Luoyang to study, and I can go with Brother Cao." Chen Mo was interested when he heard this, and began to ask Cao Cao for some tips on governance.

Cao Cao is the prime minister in Jinan, not afraid of the powerful, honest and honest, Chen Mo admires this kind of person the most, but Cao Cao resigned and returned after a year in office, Chen Mo guessed that it was estimated to be the same as his teacher.

One of the two has a long career, the other is young and erudite, but they can be subtle and introverted, not exaggerated, not publicized, and do not have that feeling of high self-esteem, they are easy to get along with others, and they have unique opinions.

"Childe, Mr. Cao, eat some fruit." Juan'er took the fruit plate and handed it to Chen Mo and Cao Cao.

"Juan'er will also call me sir, I have a relationship with your son-in-law, you can call me Cao Gongzi, no one has called me for many years." Cao Cao looked at Juan'er's well-behaved appearance and quipped.

Chen Mo: "......"

After getting acquainted, he found that Cao Cao was not only knowledgeable, but also very thick-skinned, but it was not difficult to understand when he thought about it, wasn't his teacher also a humble gentleman in front of others? But in private, it's also quite witty and cheeky.

Cao ...... Cao Gongzi ......, "Juan'er is a courtesy, in front of outsiders, don't dare to follow Gongzi in front of him, then others will laugh at Gongzi's style."

"Brother Meng De, don't bully Juan'er, come, eat some fruit, Brother Meng De has been away from Qingzhou for two years, just taste it." Chen Mo smiled and pulled Cao Cao's attention back.

"Yes, it's been two years, and my reputation in Qingzhou is not very good!" Cao Cao picked up a fruit, shook his head and sighed.

At the beginning, he could offend the magnates of Jinan miserably, and at that time, even many wealthy gentry in Jinan fled to other places, and did not come back until after he resigned.

"There are pros and cons to this favor, but now it seems that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages." Chen Mo also sighed when he heard this, just as Cao Cao said, although Chen Mo admired him a lot, but in fact, even today, Cao Cao is mostly scolded among the scholars in Qingzhou.

"Oh?" Cao Cao picked up a green fruit and threw it into his mouth, it hurt a little, looked at Chen Mo and smiled: "Brother Xian, which one is better, the rule of law or the rule of virtue?" ”

"In the end, it's still the rule of man." Chen Mo looked at the big river in the distance: "The advantage of the rule of law is that there is a law to follow, but everything is too much, and it cannot be generalized, but the rule of virtue, the advantage is to save manpower, but too much to teach personal morality, people will change, to say something inappropriate, human nature is selfish, what my generation of scholars have learned is to eliminate these bad roots in human nature, but it is a person of high morality, and how many people dare to claim that they are selfless?" ”

Chen Moti drew a Tai Chi group on the wheel, and said with a smile: "Throughout the ancient and modern times, the dynasties, at the beginning of the establishment, most of them have experienced wars and experienced hardships, just like the anode in this Tai Chi, the ancestors at that time mostly wanted to make the dynasty strong, if the first few generations of the Son of Heaven were more virtuous, they could make a difference, but just like this Tai Chi, the anode sound, after the first generation, some drawbacks of the rule of virtue came out, too dependent on the consciousness of human nature, if human nature is upward, it is naturally good, but human nature is not constrained by external forces, How to keep it always up? In fact, the rule of virtue has its method, that is, it is restrained by public opinion and morality, but this power is too weak, and sometimes, the so-called high virtue can actually be faked, such as me, although I have not been out of Qingzhou, but my reputation has begun to take shape, this is public opinion, to put it mildly, that is, I am useless, and it has reached the ears of Brother Mengde, which is about the same as now. ”

"The descendants of virtuous people may not have virtue, and people will always have some selfishness, even if they are really virtuous, they also hope that their children and grandchildren can live better, so that they can build momentum for them, let them enter the career, it is true that most of them are talented people, but there will always be bad, the second generation will not be too powerful, but what about the third generation? Fourth generation? In order to make their children and grandchildren blessed, everyone joins hands with each other to help each other build momentum and form a party, so there are more and more bad ones, and the new yin will become bigger and bigger! ”

"What about the rule of law?" Cao Cao's originally relaxed expression gradually became serious.

"Like this." Chen Mo drew another circle, and then drew a bar in the middle: "Good and evil are clearly distinguished, but this is impossible." ”

"It takes a lot of manpower." Cao Cao groped his chin and nodded: "And as you said, those bad things will always appear because of human nature, and they will constantly try to break this line, and once they do, the result will ......."

"yes, the sky is falling!" Chen Mo sighed and said: "Judging from the current pattern, it is still possible to implement the rule of law in a state or even a county, but the premise is that the king must be a male lord, and every generation is." ”

That's impossible.

Cao Cao sighed and said: "What the virtuous brother said is quite novel, but if you think about it carefully, you don't leave the avenue, so in this way, it is better to rule by virtue?" ”

"There is no better, only not the worst." Chen Mo said with a smile: "From the pre-Qin period to the present, in fact, countless sages are seeking a better way for their brother to say, today's Han law is actually not bad, but it is a pity that it is easy to have problems in the implementation, such as unjust cases in various places, more and more, in fact, many times, it is to worry about these affecting the political performance, hastily, this is to know that it is difficult to eliminate, but it is more difficult to eliminate the people's hearts, blindly seeking the law, it is easy to break through the steel, but blindly ruling by virtue, it is easy to appear moral, this time to Luoyang, Mo also hopes to find the best answer. ”

Cao Cao looked at the Taiji diagram, and then looked at another pattern, and only after a long time did he sigh and said: "Although Cao is a long and virtuous brother, if you talk about talent and learning, it is far inferior to the virtuous brother. ”

"I don't dare, but I have a lot of leisure time on weekdays, so I have time to think about this." Chen Mo smiled.

"Ziyuan is so undedicated to teaching apprentices?" Cao Cao raised his eyebrows and smiled.

"My teacher said that when my predecessors wrote books, I was more interested in understanding the way of my predecessors, rather than rote memorization." Chen Mo smiled.

The beard adjacent to Chen Mo's frame smiled when he heard this: "This Mr. Ziyuan is worthy of being a celebrity, this is quite reasonable, in fact, this reading may not be useful, many scholars come out, and they may not know much about these illiterate people such as me." ”

Chen Mo and Cao Cao just smiled when they heard this, and the big man who was holding the knife on the side turned his head to look at him when he heard the words, and said leisurely: "Don't misunderstand, most of the books that can be found in my family can be memorized backwards, you are a person who can't even read words, what kind of face do you have to say this?" ”

The air around him fell into embarrassment again, and the heroic smile on his bearded face seemed to be frozen......