"I don't have time to listen to your Lord Wei's long talk about the truth, the old man can be better than what you say! The old man is not your student, you don't need to be taught, what do you want to do with Ma Shilong now? Sun Chengzong asked coldly.

"I have already sent Ma Shilong's own self-defense and the impeachment of Ma Shilong to Jingshi yesterday, how can we make a private decision on this kind of thing? Naturally, His Majesty is asked to make a decision himself, and His Majesty will naturally consult with the ministers. Wei Bao said indifferently.

Yesterday, I sent Ma Shilong's self-defense and impeachment transcript to Beijing Shishi? Hmph, what a quick hand and foot!

Sun Chengzong said angrily: 'In that case, then what are you going to say to the old man?' ’

"I'm not mainly here to talk about Ma Shilong, I just want to ask the teacher about the situation in Liaodong, about the reduction of Jiliao and some soldiers and horses in Liaodong, and about the battle plan of Jiannu, what do I want to say, as the Jiliao Supervisor, I want to know what the Inspector thinks, isn't it too much?" Wei Bao put away his smile and took out his official authority. And found a place to sit on his own.

Not to mention domineering, Wei Bao at least put himself in a position of equal power with Sun Chengzong.

Wei Bao wants to talk to Sun Chengzong with an equal attitude!

Seeing that Wei Bao's attitude was a little arrogant, Sun Chengzong squinted at Wei Bao, and wanted to make Wei Bao stand up, but in the end he held back.

As the Governor of Jiliao, the key is that he is in his sixties, if he is like a city government that is about the same age as Wei Bao, he will teach Wei Bao to look down.

"Lord Wei is so powerful! If you want to know the old man's attitude, the old man's past report to the imperial court has been very clear in this chapter! Sun Chengzong said coldly.

"Now I'm asking the Governor, as a supervisor, I want to listen to the Inspector, and I don't have the time to go to the court to read this chapter." Wei Bao laughed.

"You!" Sun Chengzong was really angry with Wei Bao, and felt that Wei Bao was holding chicken feathers as an arrow! "You don't deserve to talk to the old man like this, even if Your Majesty comes, you can't talk to the old man like this! What are you! ”

"I'm the Jiliao Prison Army!" Wei Bao said coldly: "Teacher, this is your biggest problem, as a supervisor, I will discuss the military aircraft with you, what is your attitude?" If you are still like this to me, a disciple, you can imagine your attitude towards other people! If you dare to confront the overseers appointed by the imperial court, you can see that you have no way to govern the army on weekdays! This is a bit heavy, if you are not my mentor, I will report it directly to the court! Impeach the teacher! But you are my mentor, so I decided to talk to my teacher privately! ”

Sun Chengzong was trembling with Wei Bao's anger, it was the first time he had been hit like this in front of him, and he was completely speechless.

"Actually, what does the teacher want, I know very well, I don't mean that the teacher's starting point is not good, but I want to say that the teacher only takes a defensive position towards Jiliao, and only knows the attitude of blindly sticking to it, which is a waste of money and labor! Therefore, when my teacher heard that I was going to disarm, he must have been very resistant! In fact, as long as you are willing to continue to maintain the Dongjiang Army, it is enough for the Guan Ning Army to cultivate to Ningyuan Juehua, and the rest can rely on the Dongjiang River to continue to bleed Jiannu. As long as Jiannu can't eat the sweetness of the expedition to Liaoxi, they will not dare to take such a big risk to fight without a rear, and the current situation is that Jiannu's family has no surplus food. In the final analysis, every time you fight Liaoxi, you eat too much sweetness in Jizhou, you don't know how to fight, but after losing a lot, you can still distinguish some generals who can fight, and Ma Shilong has also made a lot of military achievements. But these are not the decisive factors, because your policy is completely wrong! If Liaodong is abandoned, it should be better to return to Shanhaiguan. The first is to avoid the townization of the Liaodong Domain, and the second is to strengthen the defense around the Jingshi to prevent the Jurchens from entering the pass and plundering, if the situation continues to deteriorate, the peasant rebellion in the future will be surging, showing a major expansion event! It can also reduce military spending considerably. With the current crisis of the Ming Dynasty, whoever can reduce military spending, who can make His Majesty's internal money, let His Majesty's waist swell, who is right! Back then, without Zhang Juzheng's restructuring and getting a large amount of silver, what ability did the Wanli Dynasty have to continue to expedition? And right now, we've gone from an all-out offensive to a full-scale defense, haven't you thought about the problem? Wei Bao said coldly.

What Wei Bao said, Sun Chengzong didn't think about it, but he didn't agree!

"According to what you said, Daming's problems are all my fault? Don't want Liaodong? ”

"It's not that you don't want to, but to comprehensively use Liaodong as a strategic buffer zone, a comprehensive military area, where only sergeants can come and go, and completely blockade Jiannu! There are not many people, one or two thousand people stationed in each city are enough, and if you lose it, you will try to grab it back, mainly to exercise the ability of military field combat, there is Shanhaiguan, the world's first pass Xiongguan blocked, don't worry about Jiannu breaking through from Liaodong to Beizhili! ”

Wei Bao said: "In this way, there are fewer soldiers and horses, military spending has been reduced, and the defense can be stabilized, why not?" It is precisely because of the strengthening of the Liaodong defense line that the defense around the capital is empty, and in the long run, the last field force of the Ming Dynasty, the Guanning Army, will be finally warlordized, and it will basically not listen to the dispatch in the later stage. Even if it is as weak as Song, the field force has never been so weak. Therefore, in the future, the surrounding area of the capital will be destroyed by wars again and again, and in the end, the anti-people army will be able to break through the capital without hindrance. Did the teacher want that result? ”

"Nonsense! The imperial court has not reached that situation, and my Ming is still very strong! Don't you take into account the decency of Daming? Didn't take into account the decency of His Majesty and the court? If it is really as you said, how can hundreds of millions of Ming people be embarrassed? Moreover, if you don't give Jiliao and Liaodong more troops and increase food and military salaries, you still want to disarm, is this to completely give up the encirclement and suppression of Jiannu and admit that Jiannu has seized a large area of Shenyang? Where do you put the dignity of the imperial court? You are Wei Zhongxian's accomplice! When Wang Zaijin proposed this, I suspected that Wei Zhongxian was behind the instructions, but I didn't expect that you were my disciple and actually came together with Wei Zhongxian! Sun Chengzong said angrily.

Wang Zaijin abandoned Liaodong and Sun's strategy of running Liaodong. Since it can be proposed in the officialdom at that time, it is not impossible to implement it.

The defense of the northern nomads of the Central Plains dynasties in the past dynasties was in the direction of the Mongolian steppe, and there was no talk of the invasion from Liaodong.

Only one Goguryeo was barely counted, and the invasion of the Manchu Qing fish-hunting people actually bypassed Liaodong, and came in from the direction of Mongolia, Wei Bao really didn't find out what role Liaodong had anyway.

Of course, the meaning of Liaodong was very different after the rise of sea power, but it is a pity that the combat effectiveness of the Manchu Qing Sea was basically zero!

Isn't it because the Manchus bypassed Liaodong because Liaodong invested a lot of resources to defend it?

Just because the defense is held, it cannot be said that the enemy has not broken through the defense, and this kind of resource investment is a waste.

The emptiness of the surrounding defense of the capital is not due to the strengthening of Liaodong's defenses, but also because there is no danger to defend around the capital.

Otherwise, Shanhaiguan can also be abandoned, as long as there are 200,000 troops piled up in Beijing

The defense line was recovered to Shanhaiguan and Ning Jin's tens of millions of silver were used to strengthen Jizhen.

Give Houjin a multiple-choice question, either go farther to fight the weaker Jizhen, or go closer to fight Shanhaiguan.

Fight a decisive battle with danger and consume the back money.

Wang Zaijin's strategy is tantamount to tying the national fortune to the Shanhaiguan guard, which is too risky.

It is not unreasonable to stick to Liaodong, but Liaozhen was finally warlordized, and there is no right or wrong in this strategy, only pros and cons.

In fact, Wei Bao's point of view is from the perspective of God, and from the perspective of rebirth and crossing the giant.

What happened later, Sun Chengzong couldn't see it at all, because Sun Chengzong wouldn't be able to live a few years, and his whole family would die in battle because of resistance to Jiannu.

Wei Bao knew very well that in the original history, in the history of fighting against Jiannu, Ning Yuan had never lost it, and how could Shanhaiguan, the first Xiongguan, not be able to hold it.

It's a pity that Wei Bao can't explain these things to Sun Chengzong, and he can't make Sun Chengzong convinced.

None of the previous dynasties will take the initiative to retreat, will think about saving people and losing land, Chang'an is a strong city, Bianliang is a strong city, Lin'an and Beijing are strong cities, Junbao is the world's first fortress, where to defend, if you can't hold it, you can't fight for it.

Wu Sangui surrendered, and the Manchus could enter the customs.

The Manchu Qing Dynasty's logistical limit distance could not support it to attack Jizhou across most of the Western Liaoning Corridor, let alone attack the capital, which could only scare people.

In Wei Bao's view, Sun Chengzong is just standing in the name of righteousness, and he can't be strategic or something.

"Teacher, this is a bad statement, beating Jiannu is like stewing a pot of meat with rough skin and thick meat, or there is enough firewood to stew meat for a month. You must not have a few sticks of firewood today, simmer for half a day, and then have no firewood, and then it will be cold for a few months, and after a few months, it will be stewed for another half a day. In this way, this pot of meat will never be stewed! I don't believe that my teacher has been in Liaodong for so many years, I don't understand this reason! Do you think the imperial court now has a way to find you firewood for stewing meat for several months? Shouldn't we try to keep the pot from spoiling and prepare firewood first? When is there enough firewood to go to stew? Wei Bao thought about this metaphor of stew, and he thought about it for a while, and now he feels so comfortable saying it to Sun Chengzong.

Sun Chengzong listened a little, was silent, and fell into deep thought.

He didn't think about these problems, but Daming's style and bones don't allow a person with integrity like him to think like this!

Isn't this passive slackness, and people are superficial?

We have taken the court's money, so naturally we should be anxious about what the court is anxious about, for the court, and for Your Majesty.

"What you said, do you dare to put it in the book and let the court discuss it?" Sun Chengzong looked at Wei Bao, "If Your Majesty agrees with your statement, I have nothing to say!" What do you want to do in the future, your Lord Wei is very talented in military affairs, and you can take the house slaves to fight back the Jiannu, so why don't I, the Jiliao Governor, let you go? ”

"Teacher, don't be angry! Although my words are not good, you just listen to what you say, and admit that what I said makes sense! How can these things be put on the table and said so? To be loyal to the court, not only does you know how to spend money on military training and carry the black pot for the court, but you are also loyal! I am not qualified enough, otherwise I will be the Jiliao Governor, not to mention much, a hundred times stronger than the teacher! Wei Bao said directly: "As far as the existing resources of the teacher, I don't say that I will go to Shenyang, I can at least make the population of Jiannu continue to decrease, so that Jiannu can neither covet North Korea, nor covet Mongolia, so that Jiannu can do nothing in the north, and can also save a lot of money for the capital and the palace!" Alleviate the intensifying contradictions within the Ming Dynasty! ”

Sun Chengzong looked at Wei Bao in shock, Wei Bao said this, he was really unkind, and he didn't plan to show mercy to him as a teacher at all.

"How much money did the teacher spend, I don't need to say, you know in your own heart that you have trained an army that can fight? Or have you fought even one beautiful battle? Killing dozens of Jiannu can blow up to the sky, I killed tens of thousands of Jiannu, and I'm afraid that others will know about it. Wei Bao said with a smile: "I don't look down on my teacher, let alone deliberately angry with my teacher, I just want to say something from the bottom of my heart, my teacher can't achieve anything, it's because you don't have the conditions at all!" If today's Ming Kingdom is rich and strong, and it returns to the situation when it was able to dispatch hundreds of thousands of troops to fight the Battle of Salhu, it is useless for you to build a city like this! Only a limited amount of money can be concentrated to train firearms and cavalry, and only these two kinds of armies can really kill Jiannu. ”

Sun Chengzong was completely speechless, and Sun Chengzong himself didn't know that it was really wasted, and almost all of the military spending was invested in Liaodong, which caused other border defenses to not be replenished.

If the Later Jin conquered the Eastern Mongolian tribes, they could invade the Central Plains from the direction of Mongolia.

And as the governor of Jiliao, no matter whether Jiannu fights Mongolia or Jiannu fights North Korea, he has no way at all!

Instead, they only defended Shanhaiguan, and the military money saved strengthened the defenders in other directions and contacted the Mongols.

Ignoring the navy and the islands in the Bohai Bay, the Houjin invaded the Shanhaiguan, then they would face the attacking forces of the Shanhaiguan defenders and the Daming Naval Division that could land from any direction, and the Mongols could harass the Houjin from the west.

Even if you don't go to Shanhaiguan and go from Gubeikou, the defenders here will not be easily broken through if they are not short of armaments, and the naval division and the island garrison can go to Houjin's territory to carry out a sneak attack, which is not more cost-effective than repairing an artillery tower.

Can Jin withstand such a toss.

Sun Chengzong also thought about these things, but he had no money in his hand, so he could only close his eyes, not to look, not to think about it.

In fact, if Sun Chengzong was a powerful minister, the Ming Dynasty would still survive. But Sun Chengzong is not.

Sun Chengzong even felt that Wei Bao was more likely to become a powerful minister, at least Wei Bao dared to talk to himself as an emperor.

"I believe that the teacher should have thought that in the long run, in addition to spending a lot of money in Liaoxi and Liaodong, will watch the demise of Mongolia and North Korea, when the Ming Dynasty becomes poorer and weaker, Jiannu because of the expansion of the territory, there is no worries, the land is vast, the development is getting better and better, and finally one day, the Ming Dynasty will collapse by itself, and the chairman of Jiannu will drive straight in, right?" Wei Bao continued.

"The more I talk about it, the more unreasonable it becomes, I admit that what you said has a certain truth, but I have a vast territory and a sufficient population, and now I have encountered a little bit of a small problem just because of natural disasters, and I have survived this paragraph, are you afraid that you will not have money and food to deal with Jiannu?" Sun Chengzong said.

"Teacher, you really can comfort yourself, as a minister, you have been a high-ranking official for decades, right? Do you think Da Mingguang is a matter of natural disasters? Man-made disasters are far more serious than natural disasters, okay? Wei Bao said: "You can't see this article of party struggle?" Can't hear me? Or do you like to pretend to be deaf and dumb? If you have the ability to end the party struggle and restore the integrity of the Ming officials, let alone the small Jiannu, that is, ten Jiannu, a hundred Jiannu, in less than three months, they will all be wiped out, but is this possible? Thousands of miles of Tai collapsed in the anthill, freezing three feet is not a day's cold! It's not something the two of us can change here. As officials of the imperial court, we can only judge the situation and make the best choice in line with the current situation of the imperial court, instead of blindly betting the power of choice on the future in which no one knows what will happen! So, it's never wrong to prepare for the worst! ”

The problem of the Ming Dynasty was not that the Liaodong turret tactics cost money, but that the abandonment of Dongjiang Town externally led to the inability to rely on the advantage of sea power to attack Houjin on both sides, so that it could concentrate its forces. Internally, they did not decisively open up the regimental training of the provinces to the rogues, and blindly dealt with them with the officers and troops, but as a result, they were exhausted, wasted money and food, and finally collapsed.

In fact, in the middle of the Qing Dynasty, in the face of the threat of the White Lotus Sect, he decisively opened up group training, and after arriving in the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, he simply took group training as the main force of the Hunan army and the Huai army.

From this point of view, the Qing Dynasty was still much better than the Ming Dynasty.

However, the character of the Ming Dynasty and the fortitude of the Ming Dynasty did not allow these things to happen, just like until the Ming Dynasty collapsed, Chongzhen did not dare to openly negotiate peace with Jiannu, let alone negotiate peace with the anti-people.

Daming is so fierce, Emperor Ningyuan can't compromise when he hangs himself.

At the end of the Ming Dynasty, the demand for fiscal collapse was mostly one thing, and the state machinery was rotten, and the main thing was that the tax source could not be added to the scholars.

The condition given by the Later Jin was to maintain the pre-war border with the river as the boundary, and Sun Chengzong guarded Liao for many years but only made a big show in the places that the Later Jin did not want, writing more than a dozen resignations a year, and later impeaching him for too many empty salaries.

was able to get a defeat of Liuhe, but he actually took the initiative to find Jiannu to fight.

And it has to be fought, it can't be like the rumors of later generations, the Liaodong guard doesn't know that he is high and thick, and he is rashly greedy for merit.

Every time you have to check your salary, these are the basic operations.

The army of more than 100,000 fled to Shanhaiguan in an instant, and the number of people was less than 30,000 people, where did these people go.

Before the imperial court asked him to check the number of troops, Sun Chengzong came to check the law on wheels and went to a camp every day, isn't this just the right place to make up the number of people for the army.

To negotiate peace, that is, to recognize the loss of Shenyang as a fait accompli, and to lose the de jure claim to these territories in the future.

Before Sun Chengzong took over, he lost the city all the way from the Great Wall of Liaodong to the city of Jinzhou.

After he took over, he didn't lose it, Yuan Chonghuan inherited Sun Chengzong's defense line, and also fought Ning Yuan's great victory.

The condition of the post-Jinti was to maintain the pre-war border with the river as the boundary.

Sun and Yuan Shouliao have been wandering around the land that Houjin does not want for many years.

Yuan Chonghuan don't mention it, it is impossible to have Pingliao in five years, and as a result, the Jingshi is swept every year, and there are only more than 200 heads handed in after winning countless battles.

Yuan Chonghuan bombarded Nurhachi to death, and even more so with false rumors, saying that he was happy.

Anyone who has a little knowledge of history also knows that after the battle, Nurhachi jumped for more than eight months, during which he personally led the troops to fight.

How could a person who was seriously injured by the shelling be able to jump for so long.

And Wei Bao especially doesn't understand one thing, since he thinks that a Shanhaiguan is not insured, then adding Ning Yuan is insured.

Does Ning Yuan have a half-dime relationship with Shanhaiguan?

If Ning Yuan can block the Manchu Qing, then Shanhaiguan is not even more problematic.

Why spend tens of millions of silver a year to occupy a so-called depth that the enemy does not want.

Wouldn't it be enough to directly turn the entire eastern part of Liaodong into a guerrilla zone and completely turn it into a zone of depth?

The strategic significance of Jinzhou is even lower, not to mention the huge cost, every time it is besieged, it has to mobilize troops to relieve the siege, and then run away after the gold is robbed.

Moreover, the Later Jin Dynasty gave up the occupation of Jinzhou twice before and after, and Jinzhou was outside the control of the Later Jin.

The Guanning Jin defense line was to consume the Ming Dynasty and fatten the Houjin.

The Ming army did not have the ability to kill and wound Houjin in large numbers near Jinzhou, and Jinzhou was of no strategic significance.

Raising astronomical military spending, and refining a dare to fight, Wei Bao can't figure out which will be more difficult.

The difference between the two is probably that the whole army will inevitably make adjustments to the policy structure, and a large number of people will be moved, and many people will be unhappy.

And the sky-high military expenses are otherwise, just raise more taxes, cut the flesh of the people, what to do with the court and the princes, maybe you can win a small amount, everyone is happy.

Sun Chengzong's literati popularity is indeed impeccable in terms of officials.

But when you talk about his credit, Wei Bao, a disciple, really can't find it at all.

Sun Chengzong did not understand the situation in Liaodong in the Ming and Qing dynasties, and many descendants also failed to understand.

The Guanningjin defense line is essentially an axis of attack from a military point of view, but Sun Chengzong designed a way to repair turtle shells all the way back when he realized that the Ming army's field combat ability was weak and the defense ability of relying on the city fortifications was acceptable.

From a military point of view, this axis of attack is fundamentally in the wrong direction.

Ning Yuan was Ning Yuanwei at that time, Jinzhou was Guangning Zhongtun Wei, in the context of the Guangning rout, Yuan Chonghuan kept Guangning, and Sun Chengzong restored Jinzhou.

It has great political significance, but it can be said that it has no practical effect.

On the contrary, Jiannu saw the battlefield situation at that time very clearly, Jinzhou was not so much a reconquest, but actually Jiannu gave up directly after emptying and burning it out.

Subsequently, Jiannu also encircled Jinzhou many times to send reinforcements, and became a harvester for harvesting the Ming army's vital force and consuming the national strength of the Ming Dynasty.

On the contrary, Jiannu did not hesitate to destroy the Daling River Fort at the mouth of the Daling River in the lower reaches of Jinzhou, once it was found that the Ming army showed signs of wanting to recover.

The words were indistinguishable, Wei Bao and Sun Chengzong debated-for-tat for less than two incense sticks.

Sun Chengzong couldn't speak.

"I have never embezzled the money of the imperial court! All I do is do my best to regain lost territory for the court! This is what my generation did for the court and for Your Majesty. Sun Chengzong said to Wei Bao.

Wei Bao looked at Sun Chengzong, and felt that the old man was also quite pitiful, obviously he had nothing to say by himself, and he was still stiff-mouthed.

"Xiaobao, there are many things, things in the officialdom, you don't understand, we can't be caught by people, lose the opportunity to do things, even if you have a bunch of truths, but who will understand you? If you don't have the opportunity to do things, what's the use of having a full stomach? Do you want to watch Wei Zhongxian do whatever you want? Want to be Wei Zhongxian's accomplice? Sun Chengzong changed his tone and blushed.

Wei Bao smiled: "Teacher, I said, I haven't had too much contact with Gonggong Wei, we are reasoning now, since you have admitted that what I said is reasonable, you have to criticize your statement of holding the position, you have to have a clear conscience, and you have to think that future generations will comment!" You can't just look at the present, you can't just listen to the praise now, and you can't return to your hometown in order to be rich. Since you want to do things for the court, you must not hesitate to be famous, be able to endure humiliation, and be willing to be slandered, which in my opinion, is the real loyalty and patriotism! ”

Wei Bao's words had a great impact on Sun Chengzong.

At this moment, Sun Chengzong even thought that his knowledge was not as good as that of a fifteen-year-old child.

Many people regard Wei Bao as a courtier next to the emperor, and think that Wei Bao just relied on his whiskers to get there immediately, and he didn't have any real talent at all.

Even Sun Chengzong thought so, because Wei Bao's fame was obtained by Sun Chengzong for Wei Bao.

Later, Sun Chengzong didn't know how Wei Bao achieved the fame of Jinshi, but he guessed that Wei Bao got it through some door.

Therefore, Sun Chengzong has never felt that Wei Bao has any real talent.