Gao Panlong is a cautious person, although he agrees with the words of **Xing and Liu Zongzhou in his heart, but he feels that the meal should be eaten bite by bite, and things should be done one by one. The latest free chapters of the book can be found here. Now the emperor has put the power to the people in the Donglin Academy, the current imperial court East Lin Party status is higher than when the emperor first succeeded to the throne, and the number is more, as the saying goes, when the moon is full, the water is full, and the people's hearts are not enough, if you want to use the emperor or deceive the emperor now, then the emperor will be unhappy or suspicious, it is not easy to clean up a group of bandits, but it is still easy to clean up a group of scholars, why bother to be bored.

Two years ago, Tianqi and Gao Panlong had a conversation about the Donglin Party, although some of the words were not said very bluntly, but they were also tacit, Gao Panlong thought that even if he wanted to do something, he had to tell the emperor to do it, lest people say that they were not authentic behind their backs. However, there is some truth in Liu Zongzhou's words, it is really inappropriate to base everything on personal prestige, just like building a house on sand, the foundation is not strong, and if you want to tell the truth, it is estimated that the emperor will not be happy, who likes to be questioned and used? The Donglin Party also has its own vested interests in appointing and dismissing officials, and I am afraid that they will not be happy to hand over power.

In the matter of the appointment and dismissal of officials, in the past, it was necessary to choose officials and pretend to push it to the court, but in fact, it was a public presentation of private transactions, and was reprimanded by the Donglin Party for covering their ears and stealing the bell, and some radical people even said that it was not as direct as Emperor Ling of the Han Dynasty to sell officials at a real price. But after the apocalypse called the appointment and dismissal of officials to the Donglin Party, they thought they were gentlemen and felt that it was very casual to appoint officials on the basis of merit, and no one was sarcastic at this time that there was anything wrong with the current system, but in the eyes of non-Donglin people, I am afraid that it is not as popular as Tingtui, at least on the surface, Tingtui gave everyone a chance to feel a little fair.

Liu Zongzhou and Gao Panlong have known each other before, and now they understand Gao Panlong's character and thoughts when they work together, he saw that Gao Panlong was still hesitating, so he said: "Let's make our own plans first, and when everything is safe to be implemented, we will first submit it to the emperor for approval, so that Gao Daren will not have any scruples, right?" At the beginning, Lord Zhao talked about Wang Anshi and Zhang Juzheng, in my opinion, Wang Anshi and Zhang Juzheng are both loyal and loyal ministers, and they will reform because they are both Zaifu and have the trust of the emperor, and later their system will be abandoned because they only have the trust of the emperor, so they will die. ”

Gao Panlong said: "Wang Anshi and Zhang Juzheng's reform is indeed the emperor of Chengye and the defeat of the emperor, but it is not easy to get the trust of the emperor and the trust of others, if there is such a thing, everyone will compete to do it, and it will not be Wang Anshi and Zhang Juzheng's turn to do anything." Their reform ideas are all for the purpose of enriching the country and strengthening the people, but to achieve the effect of making the country rich and the people strong, it must take a certain amount of time to see and feel its benefits, and its disadvantages will make many people feel at that time, so it will be opposed ♀ by most people, that is, the reason why they have not seen the benefits and the harms first, and what can Lord Liu do to do it all? ”

Liu Zongzhou said: "This lies in an insight, this afternoon Lord Zhao and I made some analysis of Yang Lianyang's recital, and I think we can work these points, if we can really do a good job, we can not only get the support of the emperor, but also the support of the merchants and the people." ”

Gao Panlong was immediately interested when he heard this, and said: "It turns out that Lord Liu and Lord Zhao have already had results, since this is the case, let's listen to it, I really have to go to the emperor to ask for the emperor's will in person." ”

Liu Zongzhou said: "At the beginning, it has been said that if you want to reform, you will encounter a situation where you will see harm before you see the benefits, for example, Lord Yang put forward the idea of replacing men with women, this idea itself is good, but it can't be done at present, and the labor force of the Ming Dynasty will not be doubled, at least half, the problem is that this matter involves organizational problems, legal problems, atmosphere problems and other aspects, and the surrounding environment and human measures can't keep up with things, and things can't be done. Suffice it to say, don't think about women working for men for ten or twenty years, at least for three or five years. ”

Gao Panlong said: "I also thought about what you said, and we also talked about it during the day, but now that Lord Liu has mentioned it again, has he found the reason?" ”

Liu Zongzhou said: "Yes, I think the reason is the word will, as long as the people have the will, the court does not need to exert much effort to mobilize people, if the people do not have the will, even if they ask people to whip the people to do things, they will not be able to work." In order to obtain the wishes of the people, we must take the initiative to know the needs of the people, communicate with them more and publicize them more, and grasp the preferences of the people in advance, so that we can be confident. ”

**Xing nodded and said: "I agree with Lord Liu's wishes, people in the rivers and lakes often say a sentence called 'stick a knife in the ribs for a friend', in order to show that they value affection." But if the person who stabbed him twice was not someone else but his friend, and the knife for his friend would become a friend for the sake of interests, then there would be no affection between friends at this time. It's all about sticking a knife into a person, why do they have different endings? Or is it because of the two words of willingness that Lord Liu said, blocking the knife for a friend is a willingness to be stabbed twice, it doesn't matter if you take two knives, it can increase friendship, and being stabbed twice by a friend will hurt your friendship. ”

Gao Panlong thought for a while and said: "There are three things that we feel embarrassed about today, the first is the division of labor between the prefectures and counties, the second is the matter of finding people to represent the people, and the third thing that was not discussed later is the matter of the supervisors in various places being too idle. We don't have to worry about other things related to the palace, and we don't have to make taboos about military affairs, so let's talk about what to do about these three things. ”

Liu Zongzhou said: "The division of labor between the prefecture and the county is to let the state and the county be in charge of agriculture and industry, so that there is no need for so many people to cooperate with the prefecture and county, save manpower and time, and strengthen management. The industrial business is the most profitable, because now the mining and construction of the factory is still encouraged by the imperial court, and many rich people are making great efforts in the industry to obtain benefits, and the state is in charge to facilitate the coordination between counties. ”

Gao Panlong said with a smile: "I also said this during the day, the question is which industries are in charge of the state and which are in charge of the county, and there is no distinction between them, and the small craftsman shops of one or two people must also be managed by the state, right?" To say that it is management is to say that there are regulations and supervision in terms of taxation and size and variety, and it does not mean that all the factories and mines in the whole state should be moved together. In the case of inconvenient transportation, how can the state go to the county or even the mountain in time to exercise the right of management? ”

Liu Zongzhou said: "At first, I didn't figure it out, but later Lord Zhao told me to simply add another province at the same time as the division of labor between the prefecture and county, that is, the division of labor at the county, the prefecture and the province, which are respectively in charge of agriculture, industry and commerce, so that not only the division of labor between the prefecture and county has been solved, but also the problem that not many people have paid for the new construction of roads." The county is in charge of agriculture, the state is in charge of industry, and the province is in charge of commerce, and if we really want to do this, it will become a hierarchical management and a very well-coordinated division of labor. ”

Gao Panlong narrowed his eyes and thought for a while, and said: "I can't be sure or deny the method you discussed, but I can support it, first find a place to pilot and then gradually promote it, and the most important thing is to ask the people, businessmen, big households, officials and other people to have the will, as Lord Liu said." What I'm a little curious about now is that these are some good methods, how can they be related to the purpose of Donglin Academy? Could it be that this will divide the power of the emperor or gain the support of merchants and the common people? The two of them must know that doing these things is inseparable from officials, and officials do everything on behalf of the emperor. ”

**Xing smiled and said: "Brother Gao is sitting in Beijing all day long, I'm afraid I don't know the current situation, the emperor used a big iron company to bring together several big merchants in the north and south, but other merchants have a lot of opinions about these merchants who have taken advantage of them." If the provincial governments of the provinces manage the commerce of the whole province, then these people who have not benefited from the big iron company will definitely flock to the governors and governors of the thirteen provinces of Beijing, more than half of them are from my Donglin Academy, they control the commercial management of the whole country, and they can also protect the commerce of the Ming Dynasty, the emperor adheres to the tradition of Taizu and does not like merchants to limit profits, I remember that Brother Gao is in favor of the prosperity of commerce. ”

Gao Panlong said: "The emperor doesn't seem to want to care about anything, but he is very concerned about the soldiers, businessmen and ordinary people, if we really want to do this, I am afraid that we will not be able to hide it from the emperor, and what will the emperor say when he asks?" ”

Liu Zongzhou said: "I don't think this is a conspiracy but a conspiracy, you can first write a book to let the provincial governments manage the commerce of the provinces, if the emperor has the courage to completely control all the merchants under the name of the big iron company, if the emperor does not want to do much, we do this is also a supplement." To be honest, I also think that the 20% profit cap is a bit unfair to businessmen, and this unfairness can make up for the emperor's mistakes if it is not for us. Of course, we don't want to get along with or go against the emperor, we just want to fulfill the wishes of Mr. Gu and several other gentlemen while thinking about Anxi of the Ming Dynasty. ”

Gao Panlong thought for a while and said: "That's it, let's talk to King Xin tomorrow to see what King Xin means, and the next question is to find a representative, what can you do to get the best of both worlds?" ”

**Star said: "One way, one word, is to choose!" The person who represents the people should be a person who is satisfied with the people, and this representative cannot be appointed by anyone, but must be chosen by the people themselves, just like what Lord Liu said at the beginning. ”

Liu Zongzhou also said: "This kind of election cannot go through the motions like the imperial court electing officials and court pushing, it must be sincerely chosen by the people, and those who are not sincerely chosen are not qualified to be the representatives of the people." I remember the Tessians in the Bo College saying that they had a 500-member assembly many years ago, and that the 500 were elected by the people and not appointed by the officials. ”

Gao Panlong said with a smile: "Let me make an inference, if the election of representatives is really done, is it time to elect officials next?" Now that we have the final say in the appointment, dismissal, and supervision of officials, if we really have to vote on the appointment and dismissal of all officials, will it also affect the efficiency of work? Besides, according to Mr. Qian's meaning, he wants to choose auxiliary ministers in the world, and now there is no cabinet in the imperial court, and the so-called auxiliary ministers are regarded as Xinwang and Ye Xianggao, do you still have to tell Xinwang that he can't let him choose people in his position? ”

Liu Zongzhou thought for a while and said: "Lord Gao's words are not unreasonable, but it is not impossible to elect officials or auxiliary ministers at that time, and if it is really at that time, King Xin can also participate in the election, and with King Xin's ability and prestige, he may still be elected." ”

Gao Panlong asked: "The first election may still be the king of Xinwang, but if in two years there is someone who is more popular than the king, what should we do then?" ”