Gao Panlong's words made Gao Xiancheng speechless, he had prepared a lot of words to say, but now Gao Panlong used his own example to make Gao Xiancheng unable to speak. If he admits that he is incapable of lifting people, he is slapping his mouth, which means that he has been eating and waiting for death all his life. But if he follows Gao Panlong and says that there was a problem with the previous employment system, then he is helping Gao Panlong prove that the reform of using age restrictions is correct, and this is still slapping his own mouth. Taking advantage of Gao Panlong's eyes to the side, Gao Xiancheng anxiously glanced at Governor Liu, who was sitting next to him.

Governor Liu nodded lightly and said to Gao Panlong: "Lord Gao, I don't know if it's okay to say a few words if you want to say a few words?" ”

Gao Panlong smiled and said: "Since it is an equal dialogue, then anyone can say it, and it is not about who wins and who loses, in fact, the official really eliminates the questions that you can say that the official can't answer, so that it will be helpful for the court to formulate the system in the future." ”

Governor Liu said: "Since this is the case, then the humble post dared to ask two questions, and the humble post heard that the imperial court had established a holy academy in Beijing, that is, to place experienced ministers in it and let them serve the imperial court." I began to hear from Master Gao that it is still impossible to judge a person's ability, and none of the old ministers in the Holy Academy have experience in this area? ”

Gao Panlong said: "If it was their experience in the past, it would definitely be useful, but now there are new problems, so the old experience is not too useful." The emperor said that he would not be promoted to a position based on merit, otherwise he would be suspected of selling his official position, and now he had to use age to limit his grades, so he blocked the two roads of promotion according to merit and seniority. There is only one way to be promoted based on ability, and it is difficult to judge a person's ability out of thin air. ”

Governor Liu asked: "The Holy Academy can't come up with a good way, I heard that there is still a doctoral college, can't they think of a good way to judge the ability of officials?" ”

Gao Panlong shook his head and said: "Now there are several ministers in charge of the Administrative Yuan, the Metropolitan Procuratorate, the Holy Academy, and the Bo Academy, and there are several ministers in charge of the Imperial Yuan, and when there is a major matter or something that is unstable, everyone will discuss it, and there will be no more decisions made by one person or one department like the cabinet in the past. Now we have a preliminary idea, but it is not mature so it is difficult to say, does Governor Liu have any good suggestions? ”

Governor Liu shook his head and said: "I don't dare to have any good suggestions, but I am just curious to ask." ”

Gao Panlong nodded and turned to ask Gao Xiancheng: "Gao Xiancheng, I don't know if you still have any questions about the age limit grade now?" ”

Gao Xiancheng said: "After listening to Lord Gao's words, I immediately understood a lot of truths, this age limit grade can indeed make people less impetuous, and it can also curb people's unrealistic ambitions." The fact that a young man has made achievements in one place shows that he has a certain ability, and allowing him to continue to do things for the people will also improve his ability again. However, there are still doubts about the 20% profit cap of businessmen, and at first Gao Daren said that restricting the grade of officials and restricting the profits of businessmen are the same, which makes the lowly position not understand, do officials and businessmen have the same role? ”

Gao Panlong nodded and said: "The matter of age limit grade will be put here first, if you and I have no opinion, our dialogue process will be made clear to the whole country, so that officials who care about this matter can see it." If they have any new ideas and ideas, the imperial court can collect them and improve the system. As for whether the role of officials and businessmen is the same as that of Gao Xiancheng, what this official can tell you is that in a certain situation, their role is the same, and they all distribute goods to the people on behalf of the emperor and the imperial court. ”

Gao Xiancheng said: "I don't understand this humble position, it is understandable that the official manages the people on behalf of the Son of Heaven, how can the merchant be sent by the emperor?" Back then, Taizu had a bad opinion of businessmen. ”

Gao Panlong said with a smile: "At this time and at that time, nothing is static. Now the largest shareholder of the big iron company that is going to build roads, open mines, and start construction in the whole country is the current emperor, do you think the emperor will have a bad opinion of the businessman now? ”

Although many people say that the big boss behind the big iron company is the emperor, no one has publicly confirmed it, and everyone is just half-convinced. Now that Gao Panlong said it himself, it is still quite shocking. Gao Xiancheng asked uneasily: "Why does the emperor give certain restrictions to officials and businessmen?" Will it be necessary to supervise businessmen like supervisory officials in the future? ”

Gao Panlong said: "Each of us has to eat and wear, and some of us have to build houses, take a car and take a boat, and what one person does cannot meet his needs, so in this case we need to cooperate." Since there is cooperation, there will be distribution after cooperation, and it must be fair and reasonable, otherwise it will affect future cooperation, so the emperor appointed officials at all levels to organize the people to cooperate in doing things, and also allowed these officials to distribute things to the people. The distribution method of officials takes care of the vast majority of the people or takes care of the main needs of the people, and the needs of the few people and the minority may not be able to be taken care of, so they need to be supplemented by businessmen. ”

Gao Xiancheng said: "May I ask Lord Gao, I don't understand a little bit about the humble position, this official is just managing, right?" Don't you see what they give to the people? The businessmen only recognize money and not people, saying that they are distributing things to everyone. ”

Gao Panlong said: "There is nothing in the world that is given for free, if you don't have to ask people to do things for nothing, isn't that raising lazy people?" Since it is cooperation, it means that all the fields and food and clothing belong to everyone, and later everyone gets their own part, isn't it the distribution after cooperation? Is it really necessary to have a process of centralizing and then distributing them one by one before it can be distributed? ”

Gao Xiancheng said: "If a place is affected by a disaster, the imperial court will distribute the relief materials free of charge, and there is no doubt about the distribution from this point of view." But usually, the people cultivate and harvest by themselves, how can it be regarded as a distribution by the imperial court? ”

Gao Panlong sighed and said, "Gao Xiancheng said this, which made the official very disappointed, but the official still has to tell you well." If a person thinks that he is self-supporting by cultivating and reaping his own harvest, and it has little to do with the imperial court, then there is something wrong with this person's thinking, and he should think that those craftsmen who work, soldiers who fight wars, and scholars in the world will not be at ease, and they will also demand possession of land. In this case, will the state still protect you, and will it allow you to have some land that belongs to you to cultivate? Last year, the emperor demanded that large households could only sell their fields and not buy them, and only peasant households with few fields could buy fields. ”

Gao Xiancheng thought for a while and said, "Even if the imperial court has a little bit of distribution, what does it have to do with merchants?" They gave goods to the people, but the people gave money, not the merchants for free. ”

Gao Panlong said: "It is precisely because the officials are assigned to take care of all the requirements of everyone that businessmen need to turn goods into commodities and sell them to everyone." You only see that you spend money on goods, but you have thought that you can't eat or wear without money, why should others exchange with you? It's not because it's a rule of the imperial court. Under the regulations of the imperial court, the silver money has the value of exchanging for the required items, otherwise the silver money is a cold iron lump, in this sense, the merchants are doing things for the court, but they are driven by interests. ”

Gao Xiancheng asked: "Since they are all doing things for the imperial court, why do they need to restrict them?" Doesn't the court like them doing more? ”

Gao Panlong said: "Everything must have a degree, which is the so-called overreach." After a preliminary estimate, 20% of the profit is the most suitable, under the premise of the 20% profit cap, the businessman is profitable, but also so that the people will not suffer too much loss, which makes everyone's relationship in cooperation and mutual assistance. If the profits are too low, the merchants will not be active, the goods will not be circulated in time, and the people will not be able to get what they need; If the profit is too high, the businessman gets too much, and the people will be dissatisfied ♀ with the unequal labor and harvest, both of which are not in line with the spirit of cooperation and mutual assistance, which in turn proves that the profit cap of 20% is a reasonable distribution method after cooperation. ”

Seeing that Gao Xiancheng didn't speak, Governor Liu said: "Xiaguan understands, this profit cap for businessmen is also to curb their expanding ambitions, and it is the same reason as using age to limit the grade of officials. Under the restrictions, businessmen and officials can do things better for the people. ”

Gao Panlong nodded and said, "What Governor Liu said is extremely true, if Gao Xiancheng has no other opinions, we will stop here today." The history of our conversation will be made known to the whole country, so that more people can participate and speak freely, so that the imperial court can formulate policies in the future. ”

Seeing that there was a result of the matter, Gao Panlong, who refused the banquet, said goodbye to the local officials, and the party slowly walked towards Beijing∵ when they arrived at the post station fifteen miles away, two fast horses chased after them, Gao Panlong opened the sedan curtain and asked, "Can you find out clearly?" ”

The people who came were two guards in disguise, and they said: "Report to your lord, we have already found out clearly, there is indeed someone behind this Gao Xiancheng, and the leader is the prefect Liu." Some of them are young but want to be promoted, and some are because they have a business at home and don't want to be restricted, so they push this surname Gao, which means that the court can't punish ♀ an old official, and some of them are sent by the governor to tell us, and let us send a letter to the adult. ”

Gao Panlong took the letter, opened it, looked at it, and said: "It's still reliable for my own people, so I'll rest here tonight and enter Beijing early tomorrow morning." ”

At this time, the reliable governor of Gao Panlong's mouth was teaching Liu Governor face-to-face, looking at the uneasy Liu Governor's Mansion, the governor said: "Don't be afraid, I have already helped you talk about it, I know those people in the Donglin Party very well, they are all gentlemen who can't rectify people, and your troubles are only good and no harm." Just beware of Wei Zhongxian, that is a vicious wolf that bites people. ”