Chapter 112: Exchange of Views

"Does the prime minister have any opinions?" Liu Xun looked at Huo Guang with a sincere face and asked.

For Huo Guang, Liu Xun never thought that he could make him bow his head with a plan to immigrate to the military management.

If Huo Guang could bow his head so easily, then he wouldn't be Huo Guang either.

In the history of the Han Dynasty, Huo Guang was like an outlier.

He even went on a hunger strike to die in the end.

How can such a person compromise because of the exchange of interests?

Liu Xun chose to talk about immigration again, in fact, he just hoped that Huo Guang would listen to his analysis and arguments on the issue of salt and iron.

Otherwise, if the other party doesn't even listen, they will have a preconceived idea, then, even if they say dry saliva, it is estimated that it will have no effect.

Huo Guang hesitated for a moment, and countless thoughts flashed in his heart.

To be honest, whether the salt and iron government is still privately owned, whether the imperial court allows the private iron casting, and whether the existence of the merchant class is reasonable or not, these questions have no impact on the princely class of the Han family.

The largest source of the princes' income is the feudal feudal rent.

Their relationship with the businessmen is not very close, at most, they have some friendship with the big families in Guanzhong.

As for the merchants of the Kanto region......

The loose economic and financial policies of the Han dynasty for more than 100 years made the merchants of the Kwantung region not need the protection of the court bigwigs.

For the big businessmen, since I gave money, the court may not take care of me, and if I don't give money, the court may not hit me, so why should I take the cutie in my pocket to others?

Therefore, on the one hand, the merchants of the early and middle Han dynasty were running wildly on the road to death, and on the other hand, no one managed the power of the imperial court and bought the protective umbrella.

Under the care of the inaction of the old Huang school of the Han Dynasty, their wealth and land increased dramatically.

It wasn't until Confucianism and Legalism came to power and sharpened their knives that they remembered to look for a protective umbrella, but unfortunately it was too late.

Temporarily cramming, can only be slaughtered as a pig!

Therefore, Huo Guang is now thinking about the issue of salt and iron. I basically didn't think from the perspective of a businessman.

Whether the merchants are dead or alive has nothing to do with him.

More importantly, whether it is the past or the present, Yang or the next two thousand years. Most of the time, the government and mainstream public opinion refuse to recognize the status and contribution of businessmen.

People with city registration, cheap households, and the next three indiscriminate things, are also embarrassed to be surnamed Zhao?

Even. Even the businessmen themselves feel the same way......

In the past 50 years, after countless businessmen have developed, they do not want to whitewash the reputation of merchants, but spend a huge amount of money to send their children and descendants to Chang'an and serve by the emperor, hoping to become an official.

Once their own children come out, the whole family will immediately abandon the business, spend most of their wealth, and settle down in Chang'an.

Therefore, for Huo Guang, the key to this matter is whether it will cause turmoil in the world after the official camp of salt and iron?

You must know that nine out of ten of the Kwantung princes live on salt and iron profits.

Moved the only cheese of the princes and kings, what if these guys jumped over the wall in a hurry?

Also, when it comes to Emperor Taizong Xiaowen, the sage of the Han Dynasty, no matter what happens, Huo Guang has to think twice.

Emperor Taizong Xiaowen Liu Heng's influence in the Han Dynasty is incomparable.

It's just that......

Son of Heaven, if the resettlement policy mentioned several times is really feasible.

That's the work of the present day. It's a good time.

Not to mention, after the resettlement is settled, I don't know how many people can be fed by the developed land.

What's more, immigration greatly strengthened the Han family's control over Liaodong, Liaoxi, and the new territories of Korea, and it also strengthened the Han family's national defense.

The benefits are so many. Huo Guang felt that he had no reason to object.

"That's it, let's see what His Majesty says first......" Huo Guang thought to himself.

Immediately, he bowed his head and said, "Shengming has no past Your Majesty, and the ministers are only the first to pause, and I would like to obey Your Majesty's edict!" ”

As for Wei Xiang, as soon as Huo Guang's words fell, he immediately kowtowed and said, "Your Majesty, the minister thinks that the Imperial Historian Yamen should also participate in the matter of entering this cantonment and immigration, and all the cantonment troops should supervise the imperial history to supervise the lawlessness!" ”

Compared with Huo Guang, Wei Xiang has a much stronger bureaucratic flavor in him.

For the same thing, Huo Guang thinks about the overall situation, the whole world, and future generations.

But Wei Xiang only thought about the interests of his imperial historian yamen, as well as his own authority.

But Wei Xiang was not wrong.

Anything needs supervision.

The Ming Dynasty's guard system was originally very good, but it lost its supervision, and finally degenerated into tens of millions of guards on paper.

Liu Xun nodded and agreed, "What the Imperial Doctor said is very agreeable, after the Qing goes back, he will draw up a schedule with the Imperial History and others, and then submit it to the court for discussion!" ”

"No!" Wei Xiang bowed his head, and he was really overjoyed in his heart!

The key to whether a leader of any yamen can convince the public lies in whether he can get benefits and positions for his subordinates.

If the Son of Heaven's resettlement plan is implemented, at least hundreds of superintendents will need to take turns to supervise and inspect.

These more than 100 positions are enough for Wei Xiang to use them to establish his prestige.

Liu Xun waved his hand and moved on to the next topic.

Immigration is a long-term plan, and even if it is passed by the court and then issued an edict to organize the first batch of immigrants, it is estimated that it will not take place until this summer.

For the time being, this matter does not need to be discussed in detail.

But there is one problem, and Liu Xun must reach an agreement with the two important ministers now.

The problem is the problem of killing!

Now that winter has arrived, the killing season has arrived.

The Han dynasty was different from the dynasties after the Sui and Tang dynasties, and even from the Eastern Han Dynasty.

The laws of the Han dynasty gave the local magistrates the power to execute prisoners.

In the Han Dynasty, most of the condemned prisoners did not need to be reported to the Son of Heaven, and the magistrates themselves could be killed.

What's even more troublesome is that the Han law stipulates that when the magistrate tortures a prisoner, except for the corporal punishment that Emperor Taizong has expressly abolished, other punishments can be used as he pleases.

Generally speaking, it is not a matter for magistrates to flog prisoners, or even to maim prisoners to death.

The historical Han Anguo also has a story of resurrection.

These top aristocratic bureaucrats of 2,000 or even 10,000 stones are still being made to death by the jailers, let alone the common people?

In the historical records, Wang Wenshu once sighed that it would be nice if the winter was a little longer.

Yizong also committed murder to the point that everyone in the county was terrified, and the blood of the powerful in the county was stained red.

What's even more troublesome is that the local county guards of the Han family regard killing as a political achievement.

Under such circumstances, all kinds of unjust, false and wrongly decided cases are naturally inevitable.

But as the emperor, Liu Xun couldn't let these guys kill people indiscriminately.

Moreover, one of the characteristics of centralization is that the emperor has the right to review the death penalty.

The so-called life and death are all in the hands of the Son of Heaven.

Like now, the magistrate can decide to kill people by himself, which is too unscientific for Liu Xun.

Moreover, it is not conducive to the authoritarianism of the central power of the Han family.

Liu Xun sat upright and said to Huo Guang and Wei Xiang, "When Emperor Taizong and Emperor Xiaowen were in power, he issued an edict saying that the people were born to be steamed, and they were placed in order to nourish them. The Son of Heaven is in power, the first is to live, and now the local county guards, the county lieutenants and even the county Sima, the lord Bo 2,000 stone feudal officials, exercise the power of life and death, 2,000 stone solid more virtuous ministers, however, it is inevitable that mistakes will be made in the busy, I will return the power of the death penalty to the central government, reviewed by the court lieutenant, reported to me, personally colluded, and then approved the execution! ”

Huo Guang and Wei glanced at each other, and then bowed, "Your Majesty is benevolent, and the ministers are respectful!" ”

For the central government, of course, the more power, the better.

Moreover, since the Qin Dynasty, centralization has been the trend of the times and is unstoppable.

What's more, as long as you are not stupid, you know that the public opinion and the will of the people in the world are all supportive.

All the sons of the hundred schools, no matter what faction, will not talk much about this issue involving less killing and careful killing.

As for the landlord and bureaucratic class, which has the right to speak, I am afraid, it will have to raise its limbs to support this decision.

After all, the meat eaters of the imperial court are more faceless than the local county guards.

For example, Zhang Ou, the court lieutenant of Emperor Xiaojing, served as a court lieutenant for three years, and killed more than a dozen people before and after, and these people were still forced to kill them.

Over the years, there have been many people who cherish feathers in the upper echelons of the Han family.

However, Liu Xun saw that in fact, the current Han law attaches great importance to the rights and interests of the powerful and bureaucratic class.

In the Han law, it is stipulated that the crimes committed by officials with titles above the rank of public and above and more than 600 stone must be tried and convicted by the court commander.

As for the crimes committed by the Marquis of Guannai and above and the two thousand stones, only the prime minister, the court commander and the emperor could decide their fate.

In the final analysis, the essence of the Liu family is a feudal dynasty.

Naturally, the laws of the Han dynasty were biased in favor of the sovereign nobility and wealthy merchants.

Most of the time, civilians and wealthy people commit crimes, and they are treated differently.

A very stark contrast is that Taishi Gong and Gongsun He.

In history, Taishi Gong offended Emperor Xiaowu and was sentenced to palace punishment. At the same time, Gongsun He committed the crime of missing his time and deserved death according to military law.

But as a result, Taishi Gong was cut off Xiao JJ, and Gongsun He only paid a ransom.

As for Li Guang. Two or three redemptions were made for death alone.

In other words, Liu Xun's withdrawal of the right to review the death penalty actually benefited the powerless and powerless ordinary people.

As for the class of landlords and magnates, if they commit a crime, they will surely die. If you don't deserve to die, you can't die even if you don't have the emperor's collusion.

The cool officials who killed people in history, the main messengers behind the scenes, who else could they be besides the emperor?

Otherwise, do you think that Wang Wenshu, Yi Zong, Zhang Tang, and Xianxuan, these murderous demon kings, really have their own will, and they are bloodthirsty demons themselves?

Liu Xun threw out this death penalty review system. There was also some reassurance to the frightened landlord and bureaucratic class.

After all, the emperor still has to have acting skills.

You can't tell you're behind it.

Guilt and resentment are attributed to the courtiers, while merit and praise are attributed to the emperor.

Talk about the right to review the death penalty. Liu Xun felt that the foreshadowing was almost done.

So, he said to Huo Guang: "Prime Minister, I recently looked at the files of all kinds of illegal things sent back by Jin Wu from the southeast, and I found that in the past ten years in the southeast, the southeast has made hundreds of thousands of profits from salt iron and cast iron every year, and even once the world made half of the money out of Wu Rebellion, the so-called teacher of the past and the future, for the sake of the country, I feel that the policy of salt and iron and cast iron during the time of Emperor Xiaowu must be changed, and the benefits of salt and iron and cast iron, if owned by the society, is it not equivalent to double the income every year? After the imperial court profited from salt and iron, it was more able to build military equipment, care for orphans and widows, build water conservancy, and build bridges. In this way, the people are not beneficial, and the sea is used for Rao, I don't know what the prime minister thinks? ”

Hearing Liu Xun finally talk about salt and iron, Huo Guang felt relieved for some reason.

In fact, I don't know that Liu Xun, the emperor, is afraid of conflict with Huo Guang, a donkey.

Huo Guang is actually afraid of fighting with the Son of Heaven to the point of being out of control.

The answer is very simple, the Son of Heaven is young, and he Huo Guanggong is high.

Once he is really strong, I am afraid that public opinion will criticize him for bullying the young master and being arrogant.

For a courtier like Huo Guang, who claims to be a pure minister and thinks he is a loyal minister, it is unforgivable for such a situation to happen

Forgive, it will be a stain on his life.

At this moment, hearing the Son of Heaven say it in a consultative tone, Huo Guang suddenly felt much more relaxed.

Some discussions are good, whether he convinces the Son of Heaven or the Son of Heaven convinces him, the worst can be avoided.

Of course, Huo Guang also knew that what Liu Xun said was indeed true.

The benefits of salt and cast iron can be seen by anyone who is not blind.

But the key is - this matter involves Emperor Taizong Xiaowen, although the Han family does not have the concept that the law of the ancestors cannot be changed, but after all, it is very tricky for His Holiness to be secret, and it involves the interests of all aspects of the world, how can it be solved with a touch of the upper and lower mouths?

If this had happened, the Southeastern Rebellion would not have happened!

Second, the matter of salt and iron casting iron, the Han family has already put it away and put it away.

During the period of Emperor Taizu Gao, in order to win the trust of the world and win the hearts of the people, he once galloped through the salt pond of the mountains and allowed the people to mint iron coins by themselves.

In the later period, in order to increase the revenue of the national treasury and stabilize the financial order, the Later Lv Dynasty promulgated the money law, prohibiting the private minting of coins and the mining of mines.

Emperor Taizong Xiaowen came to power, in order to buy the hearts of the people in the world, once again announced the benefits of Chishan Ze Salt Pond and allowed private coinage.

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In order to make an expedition against the Xiongnu, Emperor Xiaowu directly announced the official camp of salt and iron.

Now, if the Son of Heaven comes out like this again.

Then, the change of government decrees is not a good thing for the Han family.

Thinking about this, Huo Guangbai said, "Your Majesty said, although the minister is stupid, he also knows, but the minister's concern is a big matter, involving the majesty of the court, the dignity of the law and the edict of Emperor Taizong Xiaowen, don't dare to be careless!" ”

"What the prime minister said, I know it!" Liu Xun said: "Emperor Taizong Xiaowen's 'Chishan Ze Salt Pond Order', I have no intention of violating it!" ”

Although it seems that the beneficiaries of the 'Chi Shan Ze Salt Pond Order' are all large landlords, big businessmen, and local princes and kings.

But in fact, Liu Xun understands that the order of Chishanze Salt Pond has given the people at the bottom a chance to breathe to a certain extent.

According to Chinese tradition, the whole world is not the king's land, and the shore of the land is not the king's minister.

The ownership of these gifts of nature in the mountains and salt ponds is, of course, attributed to the Son of Heaven.

Emperor Taizong Xiaowen ordered Chi Shan Ze Salt Pond, allowing the people to go to the mountains and forests to hunt wood, mine mines, and even boil the sea for salt without the approval of the government.

This makes the people at the bottom, even if the mountains and rivers are exhausted, still be able to obtain the necessities of survival from the mountains, forests, lakes, oceans and rivers.

If it was changed to the Qin Dynasty, even if the people just killed a wild boar in the mountains and forests, it would be a crime.

If Liu Xun dared to repeal this order, then the spittle of the people of the world would drown him.

There is only one Qin in Chinese history, and there is only one Qin.

Liu Xun didn't want to die like the Qin Dynasty.

Huo Guang was slightly puzzled and asked, "Then what does Your Majesty mean?" ”

Liu Xun smiled, where in this world is there any policy that has no loopholes to drill?

It was the salt and iron policy of Emperor Xiaowu in history that actually spared the Chishanze Salt Pond Order. It was implemented through the Yamen of the Governor of Su led by Sang Hongyang, and a vest of the Captain of Shui Heng was set up in Shanglin Yuan to wash it white.

Its basic tone is the so-called civil system, official collection, official sales, and official management.

In this way, it perfectly bypassed the order of Chishanze Salt Pond.

The government still allows the private sector to boil salt and cast iron, but it does not allow private individuals to buy and sell and trade without permission.

All trade related to salt and iron. It must be done through the salt and iron officials.

As a traverser, Liu Xun does not know everything about the disadvantages of the salt and iron official camp policy opened by Emperor Xiaowu, but he also knows a little about it.

It is no exaggeration to say that the salt and iron official camp policy that began with Emperor Xiaowu fed countless officials and businessmen in the next two thousand years.

And even a lot of the time. The largest and strongest bureaucratic and merchant groups in China were the salt merchants and their affiliated bureaucracy.

Liu Xun did not want to take this dead end, which was proven by history.

Emperor Xiaowu's salt and iron official camp policy is bad in the link of civil system and official collection.

The civil system of official revenue means that only officials and businessmen can do this business, and anyone else who participates in it will definitely be swallowed up and there will be no bones left.

Moreover, Emperor Xiaowu's official policy of salt and iron also greatly restricted the development of China's casting iron smelting technology.

The steel frying technology and steel filling technology, which has appeared in Shaofu and have begun to take shape, will almost stand still in the next thousand years.

Vested interests arbitrarily reject and obstruct all technologies and inventions that may harm their interests.

It's like shale gas has just come to the fore in later generations. The local tyrants in the Middle East have unleashed the disintegration of the demons and forcibly suppressed the price of oil to the point where any shale gas and shale oil are more and more profitable.

Thinking of this, Liu Xun sorted out his thoughts and said, "Folk cast iron and boiled salt, I will not interfere, and the people will buy and sell, and they will also listen to their own convenience!" ”

"It's just ......" Liu Xun blinked his eyes and said, "I will set up a new position of salt and iron order under the prime minister, with a rank ratio of two thousand stones, and the order will be set up under the order." The county-level yamen in all parts of the county were ordered to set up salt and iron officials, who were responsible for selling salt and iron products in the market! ”

Huo Guang listened, but he was confused. I don't know what the hell is trying to do this?

You must know that for example, today's salt and iron merchants are basically local snakes, and the production costs of most merchants are actually lower than those of the imperial court.

After all, state behavior. More or less for the sake of the workers, in addition to the sentenced prisoners, the rest of the craftsmen basically have salaries and safety guarantees, and in case of accidents, they also have to pay compensation.

It is a prisoner, who participates in boiling salt mining, and if he dies, the court will also give his family an explanation.

But businessmen don't need to.

They hired landless and landless peasants cheaply and coerced them with sticks.

The mud leg is dead, and he throws it directly into the mountain, even if the bitter master finds the door, he can send it away if he doesn't know.

Even if you sue the yamen, the magistrate usually doesn't care about such a thing.