Simon Tu's words attracted a lot of applause, but they also attracted a lot of curses.

"Get down!"

"You don't understand anything!"

"It's not like that at all. Is it bad if the law is not good, it is only because the law is not the righteousness of the people, how can it be done without the law? You rangers are sword wielding people? ”

Many people cheered or shouted.

In the midst of the uproar, there was a knock of gold and iron, and a man stood on a high place with two swords, striking his own bronze and iron swords, and after attracting everyone's attention, this man said: "Don't curse, I will speak justice for Simon." ”

"As the old saying goes, things are mixed into congenital birth. Lonely and independent, he will not change, and he can be the mother of the world. I don't know its name, but the strong word is said. The name of the strong is great. The big is gone, the past is far away, and the far is reversed. Therefore, the Tao is great, the sky is great, the earth is great, and the people are also great. There is a great domain, and people live in one of them. Man is the law of the earth, the earth is the law of the sky, the heaven is the law, and the Tao is the nature. ”

"The Mohist Heavenly Ambition is actually nature. If the world wants to be governed, Ximen Tu is right, it should return to the natural state. ”

"Only by doing nothing can we do something. If it is not cured, it will be cured. It is said that the world is benefited, and the Mohists say that the world should be based on the will of heaven, the will of heaven is the Tao, and the Tao is natural, so the ultimate benefit of the world is not to let the world return to nature? ”

"They all speak of benevolence and righteousness. This righteousness and righteousness are determined by man. There is no benevolence and righteousness in the world, and there is no unkindness and unrighteousness. Righteousness does not last, but the Tao is eternal. ”

"There are also laws, which are also made by people. Therefore, the old man said: govern the country with righteousness, use troops with oddity, and take the world with nothing. How do I know that? In this way. There are many taboos in the world and the people are poor. The country is faint. There are many thieves by law. ”

"The more laws and regulations there are, the more people break the law. The fewer laws and regulations in the world, or even the absence of laws, are there still people who break the law? ”

"Think of the decree today. If you don't build a city, you break the law; If you can't survive by paying taxes, it is illegal to flee to the mountains and forests; To go hungry and steal the food of a noble person is to steal...... Can these laws benefit people? ”

"The Mohists said that to benefit the world, to the law of nature, to follow the will of heaven, and then to synonymous and centralized. That's wrong. In order to follow the law and follow the will of heaven, there is no need for synonym at all, or even a clearly prescribed righteousness. ”

"Therefore, if there is no way, no king, no government, and no government, the world can be governed."

Most of the people in the crowd are supporters of the Mo family, and they actually don't have a deep understanding of the mysterious "Dao" and "Tianzhi", but they instinctively feel that the policies of the Mo family are beneficial to them and support them.

This kind of support and supporters sometimes lacks independent thinking.

So Aoi spat at the person who was preaching with a sword in a high place, and scolded, "You know a fart? Why do you say that the Mohists' statement is wrong? ”

The man with the sword sneered and said, "I don't understand? Do you know? How many more books have you read? Based on the Mohists' method of knowing and inferring, their statement is inherently wrong, can't it be said? ”

Aoi didn't quite understand what to say, so he scolded: "You just fart, you stink to death!" ”

Many people followed and shouted, "Go down!" ”

The man threw down his sword, flicked it with his fingers, laughed and sang, "The sergeant hears the word and acts diligently." When the sergeant heard this, he would live or die. The corporal laughed. It's not enough not to laugh. ”

"Laugh, you are not enough!"

At this time, a sword-wielding man stood up and asked, "Since you say that you know and know, how can you push out the Mo family synonym is wrong?" ”

The man who played his sword and laughed shouted, "Listen to me, everyone! ”

"People are born in heaven and earth, and the law of heaven and earth is in nature, and people are born in nature. So, if there is no one in this nature, what is the meaning of this world to people? ”

"If there are no people in the mountains, rivers, and land today, what does the world have to do with us?"

"It doesn't matter, then if you want to rule the world, you are talking about ruling the world of people, not the world of emptiness, right?"

There was nothing wrong with this, and everyone didn't think it was good to refute it, so they nodded.

The man continued, "From this point of view, it can be said that there are people who have the world. To rule the world is to make people return to nature and obey the way of heaven, so is it true? What does it mean to rule the world? You can't say that if a king rules the world, it is called ruling the world, but that the world must obey the way of heaven to rule the world. ”

"Nature gives birth to heaven and earth, and heaven and earth give birth to man. Man exists in heaven and earth, and the meaning of man is the meaning of the existence of heaven and earth. The law of heaven and earth naturally gives birth to human beings, but the existence of witnesses is in line with the way of heaven, so all the nature of human beings is also in line with the way of heaven, so it is not wrong, right? If human nature is not in accordance with the way of heaven, why should human beings be born again? ”

These words, even some people who have read Mohist articles, cannot refute them.

Because after Mozi's death, he mastered the appropriateness of public opinion propaganda and ideology, and used the method of demonstrating that "human nature has no good and no evil, and emancipated human nature" to fight against the aristocracy and the patriarchal system, which is a way of incitement that must oppose overkill.

The reason why human nature should be liberated, according to the morality of the Mohists, is precisely because "heaven and earth give birth to man, and it is reasonable for man to exist, and human nature is part of the will of heaven", so the liberation of human nature is in line with the principles of heaven and heaven.

"Li" says: Those who turn into things are also those who destroy the principles of heaven and the desires of the poor. So there is rebellion and deceit, and there are sexual immorality.

The Legalists, who have already shown signs of it, also say that human nature is inherently evil, so it is necessary to formulate laws to dissolve the hypocrisy of nature.

In order to resist the rationality of the old rules, and to avoid being occupied by the principles of Legalism, which will lead to the digestion and absorption of Mohists, it is necessary to oppose the theory of good and evil at the root.

The people's pursuit of profit is the basis for overthrowing the patriarchal system of aristocracy.

Seeking profit is a source of legitimacy for the people's rebellion against the aristocracy.

Seeking profit is the principle of heaven, which is to allow the people to benefit themselves without any guilt.

Otherwise, man cannot overthrow the rule of the aristocracy without seeking profit; If people are guilty of seeking profit, it will lead to a dark and oppressive age; It is not the natural principle for people to seek profit, and it is possible to save the heavenly principle and destroy people's desires.

This is interlocking, when the human nature of the desire for profit reaches the extreme, and does not shy away from seeking profit, can we achieve chaos.

The man with the sword seized this point in the Mohist rhetoric.

After seeing that everyone did not object, he said, "So, what is wrong with Simon Tu's words? Human nature is nature, that is, heavenly will, and human freedom can show human nature, and there is no need for the Mo family to take off their clothes and fart and then go to 'synonym'. As long as there is absolute freedom, no government, no monarch, no state, then human nature will naturally manifest itself and will conform to the way of heaven. Is there something wrong with my words? ”

"Man is the law of the earth, the earth is the law of the sky, the heaven is the law, and the Tao is the law. The great rule of the world is to return to the state of nature. ”

"What is the state of nature?"

"Small nations and widows, no saints and no kings, and no common elders of the world who have the power to judge people. People are equal and free by virtue of human nature and by virtue of law, and their yellow hair hangs down and they are happy. ”

It was only later that the so-called saints appeared, and the righteousness prescribed by people appeared in heaven and earth, and then power began to be concentrated in the hands of some people. Where righteousness arises, there arises unrighteousness; When there is law, there is lawlessness......"

As soon as he finished speaking, someone stood up and shouted: "According to what you say, the emergence of this country, law, and power is actually accidental? ”

The man with the sword nodded, "That's right." ”

The retort was loud and said, "This is a big mistake. ”

"Do you know about Solush's journey to the west? Tens of thousands of miles to the west, what you see and hear, people speak different languages and have different skin colors, but there are many countries, laws, and kings. It's like a horse with four legs, two horses with four legs, and even all horses in the world have four legs, can you still say that this is accidental? ”

"From the perspective of the meaning of the Mohists, it is inevitable to produce a country, a law, and a king. It wasn't just a saint puppet. ”

"Mozi Yan: In ancient times, Gaiqi's language was different. It is one person who is one righteous, two people are two righteous, and ten people are ten righteous. There are many people, and so are the so-called righteous people. It is the righteousness of people, and the righteousness of non-people, so they are not mutually beneficial. It is the father and son and the brother who are within, and they are separated from each other, and they cannot be reconciled; The people of the world are all harmed by water, fire and poison. to have spare strength, can not work together; The surplus wealth of the rotten beetle is not divided into parts; Hide the good way, do not teach each other. Chaos in the world. If it is a beast. ”

"Human nature is like this, in line with nature, then it is natural nature to seek advantages and avoid disadvantages, it is the Tao, and it is nature."

In this way, under the pursuit of advantages and avoiding disadvantages, the ancient times must not be so beautiful. I seek profit, and I want everything under this world to be mine; If you seek profit, you want everything under heaven to be yours. ”

"Under the chaos, fathers, sons and brothers were separated, and the people were harmed by water, fire and poison...... This is what it looks like after the emergence of private property under the trend of human profit. ”

"What you said about nature, the Mohist family's happy land, that was the original happy land, and in the end, it was because of self-interest and profit-seeking that you said that the small country and the widow are in a state of happiness."

The man with the sword smiled: "It is said that the Mo family talks about logic, but in my opinion, it is not so." If people seek profit and self-interest, how could there be a scene of small countries and widows and happy people in ancient times? Isn't it contradictory that the Mohists both admit that it was the beginning of the Promised Land and say that they are self-interested? ”

The person who refuted immediately said: "From the perspective of the righteousness of the Mo family, righteousness is profit. Self-interest is benevolence, and seeking profit is nature. ”

According to the "Nine Layers of Paradise" written by Shi, in ancient times, people used stone as a tool, wood as a shovel, and drank blood from their hair, and lived in caves. After that, there was the Shennong clan to teach the crops and the Chao clan to build nests......"

"Before that, when the stone was used as a tool to drink blood, human nature was no different from now. Why was it possible to be seemingly altruistic and altruistic at that time? In fact, it is because of self-interest. ”

For the first thing of self-interest is to secure life. When you are about to starve to death, give you a whib of corn and a piece of gold, which will you choose? ”

The man with the sword said, "Naturally choose corn." ”

The person who retorted immediately said: "This is the same truth, in ancient times, people first had to live, and this was the greatest self-interest. Under self-interest, the righteousness that people choose is to gather the crowd for the common good. Because the world is vast, you can't live on just one stone, so you have to rely on others. Rely on others, others also rely on you, so the righteousness of the ancient times was love, and the root of it was because of profit. In ancient times, selflessness for the public is actually the extreme of self-interest. ”

"It's not that in ancient times, human nature was selfless, but because human nature is self-interested, they have to rely on selfless behavior to survive. Otherwise, can human nature change from selflessness in ancient times to self-interest today? In ancient times, cattle ate grass, and today's cattle do not eat meat. Eating grass is cow nature, and it is human nature to seek advantages and avoid harms! ”

"The Tao is natural, not because selflessness is natural, but because it is natural to seek advantages and avoid disadvantages, and the Tao law is to seek advantages and avoid disadvantages, which gave rise to the selfless public settlements in ancient times. You see the table as the cause. ”

The man with the sword laughed and said, "Then don't you also admit that the natural state in the ancient times was that everyone loved each other and gathered for the common good?" And why do I say I'm wrong? How did the Mohists introduce the emergence of the state, law, and righteousness, which is inevitable? ”