Chapter 89: Interrogation
The order to temporarily expand the new prison had been issued shortly after the Jizhen Rebellion began, and the pro-army led by Xiao Xuan had not yet returned to the Imperial Horse Prison camp. At the beginning of the purge of the camps of the border army, Xiao Xuan had already expected that if there were not 1,000 military attaches to be imprisoned this time, there would be as many as four or five hundred, and if you add the people who may be involved in the future, it is very possible to get close to 1,000.
The Ming Dynasty did not have a large prison in the past, whether it was the prison of the Prison God Temple or the Jinyi Wei Prison of the Beizhen Fusi, there was a relatively complete prison system. Freeing up a place for a thousand people is not a problem at all. However, at this time, Xiao Xuan, after weighing it, did not have complete trust in the Jinyiwei of Beizhen Fusi. Because of the kind of deep-rooted place with a large number of people, it is not impossible for the thing of planting some kind of outsider's own people or buying someone out. Isn't "Zuo Zhongyi's official affair" an example?
I am afraid that the only place that can make Xiao Xuan trust is the newly established "secret prison" of the Imperial Horse Prison these days, and the location of the secret prison is in the camp of the Guards, and the entire camp of the Guards is theoretically equivalent to a jailer. Xiao Xuan had also considered detaining more people in the secret prison, but he was detaining thousands of people at a time, and there were many important prisoners among them, which exceeded the capacity of the secret prison. After all, if it is within a camp area of about 100 paces, if the area of the prison is too large, it will definitely affect the daily training and deployment of the team.
Therefore, it was finally decided to temporarily detain the lowest-level officers in the Beizhen Fusi Prison, while the officers of the thousand generals and above, as well as the seven elite captives outside the Guanguan who were still intact, a total of more than 100 people were held in secret prisons.
One of the advantages of the secret prison is that in order to prevent "collusion", there is also the need for some prisoners to "communicate privately" when needed, and there is not only one prison in the whole prison, but a total of five main prisons, and many secret passages composed of "small secret prisons"
When Xiao Xuan and the others had just returned from leading the team, those elite captives outside the Guan, who were probably very hard, were still in the process of recuperating from their injuries and detoxifying for the time being, and they did not move for the time being. The focus of the interrogation was on the military attaché of Jizhen headed by Wang Wei.
The so-called "soft and hard" is, of course, soft in the front and hard in the back. At the beginning of the questioning, under Xiao Xuan's special arrangement, he also tried his best to make the "interrogation" look like it didn't want to be an "interrogation", and no one recorded it. And it's not in a specific place that gives a hint of a torture room, it's more about using some of the old parlors of the Imperial Horse Prison. The questioning is also mainly to find some "small talk" who can act as a good talker. Xiao Xuan had the impression that this was also one of the means used by Germany to capture the Allied prisoners on the Western Front. In the case that the other party intends to confront each other, the first thing is to remove the hostility of the other party. Through some small talk that has nothing to do with things, let's first see what is special about these people's response words. If it seems different from most others, no matter how different, then it's time to focus.
For these key groups, the method of torture deterrence is used to screen them, and if the torture is temporarily ineffective. That last resort is to lock up the suspect with other suspects to see what useful information can be obtained through eavesdropping.
However, what disappointed Xiao Xuan was that these military attachés in the Ming Dynasty were different from the American and British prisoners of war in the World War II era who were accustomed to liberalism, even if they put on an open and honest attitude, they were still mostly clichés. And that kind of respectful cliché still seems so natural in this hierarchical era that it is difficult to distinguish between truth and falsehood.
The injuries and symptoms of poisoning of the Houjin elite captives have eased, and after they have reached the point where they can be interrogated, these people seem to be less defensive and even hierarchical when faced with some questions during gossip. This also made Xiao Xuan finally breathe a sigh of relief, and at the same time couldn't help but sigh: "When you meet people, you can only say three points, but you can't throw away all your hearts" In the Ming Dynasty, when the secular civilization of Han China has been deeply rooted in the bone marrow, I am afraid it is a habit that some teenagers have. "Two little guesses" is only used to describe certain specific childhoods.
However, for these selected post-Jin elites, although they didn't seem to say anything at the beginning, they resisted. However, when there are no shackles on the body, and there is no courtesy in a special cell, it seems to be treated as if he was being treated. It was also at this time that a few people opened up the conversation box in the face of some Manchu translators.
"If you're asking these questions to find out some of the truth about my big gold, forget it." When questioned separately, a younger-looking Manchurian captive was the first to speak.
"You don't need to inquire into the truth and fiction anymore, and the many previous encounters have already made it very clear. In terms of archery and hand-to-hand combat, the Manchu warriors were far stronger than the Han Chinese. However, Daikin often called for 100,000 soldiers, and of course there would not really be so many soldiers. The armor of the Ming army is often less than five of the main force of the border army, and those with iron armor are less than one of ten, and according to the regulations, there is only one of the three. However, after preparing for a long time, there have been many captured Jin troops since the start of the army, won't they also follow this rule? When there was no shortage of armor in the former Song Dynasty, the regular main force, including the auxiliary soldiers, was at least seventy percent of those wearing armor. Your so-called 'Armored Man' is the core headquarters. Eliminate the servants and subordinates who plundered from other ministries and spent most of their time farming, with little effort for training. 30,000 soldiers and horses, more than 100,000 soldiers, is the strength of your state-building headquarters. Otherwise... Otherwise, after the battles of Salhu and even Guangning, with the lax combat readiness of the Ming army and the poor training, I am afraid that even if it is impossible to create the Mengyuan Dynasty to unify Kyushu, it should be completely certain that Jingkang will be repeated... Of course, I am afraid that these circumstances belong to your top secret, and they will definitely be smeared on the historical materials in the future, so I don't need to ask more. ”
In this way, it made the Houjin officer frightened, since Nurhachi raised his army, especially after the battle of Sarhu, many people have regarded the entire Jurchen tribes outside the Guanwai as a whole, but in fact. The unification and digestion of the various ministries is not so easy. Especially the birth of Jurchen in Yehebu, who had many festivals with Jianzhou, and even in many places. From the perspective of the stability of the clan, even if some of them are more loyal, it is impossible for the entire Liaodong Jurchen tribe to be treated indiscriminately in terms of equipment and training. At the same time, in the not so good years, the entire Liaodong could not afford to raise tens of thousands of troops who were out of production and could effectively fight and train. When he thought of this, the young officer of Houjin also seemed to notice something: "Listening to your accent, you shouldn't be Han, but you are not an old Jianzhou Weiren... ”
"I'm not talented, it's the descendant of a certain tribe that Emperor Nurhachi repeatedly mentioned in the Seven Hatreds...
"Are you from the Hercyiyah tribe? And it's no wonder. But those are all old things close to a generation ago, although you and I have a lot of grievances. However, many of the contradictions in the Liaodong provinces were only trapped in the Ming court, and they were also squeezed by the interests of the Ming court and even the Han people in Liaodong. Now all the tribes are unified under Hun Tai Ji... ”
"Don't mention these things again, I don't need to hide or deceive anything this time: to be honest, I am not optimistic about your future after the establishment of the state. Not to say that it is to enter the Central Plains like that former Jin, it is to maintain the existence of the Guanwai regime and even the safety of the people after ten or twenty years, I am afraid it is a problem... ”
"Oh? Why? Could it be that you also think that because the reliable Dingkou of the Jianzhou headquarters only has more than 30,000 reliable soldiers and more than 20,000 armor, it is impossible to conquer the Ming Dynasty with millions of soldiers? Less is no better than more," the young post-Kim officer said in a tone of apparent confidence. Although the real reliable people of Lao Jianzhou may not be much more than one of the Ming troops in the Battle of Salhu, the combat effectiveness of the Ming army was not favored by most of the old Jianzhou people before the later firearms were upgraded and combat readiness was strengthened. At this time, the Jianzhou tribes did not suffer the same heavy price as after more than ten years of continuous war and after the Battle of Songjin. Many people still have expectations for the glory of the Jin Kingdom back then. He was not as war-weary as he was on the eve of his entry into the customs in 1644.
"If you don't encounter a strong enemy, you won't be armed, these are all natural things. However, have you ever heard that in the guard camp of the new emperor of the Ming Dynasty, craftsmen are no longer craftsmen but soldiers, and making substandard weapons and even serious dereliction of duty are punished with felonies. In the battle not long ago, you also learned the combat effectiveness of the children of those guard battalions. Of course, that's the victory of Ido. But you think that if there are a hundred times as many firearms as you have encountered. It was used to equip 100,200,000 new troops, not just 2,000 children, and the battle like the Battle of Salhu was once again waged with the same car and shield in place. How many ways can today's Jianzhou eat? In the armor of Jianzhou, everyone also has such martial arts as Your Excellency and all of you who came with you? If so, then there will be at least thousands of dollars to pay to win, right? Actually? Now the new emperor of the Han people is no longer a puppet between those various forces... ”
Of course, this resolute young Houjin officer would not change his position because of such a simple remark, but finally said that he would fight bravely for his hometown, no matter how strong the Ming army was. However, in this kind of speech, it seems that there is a little less hostility towards the former Yehebe interpreter who came to persuade him. After all, Ye Hebu was still a respectable opponent in front of Jianzhou, not a Han man who did not cultivate martial virtues, nor a traitor to his headquarters.