Natz agreed: "Please rest assured, Lord Chincha, we will send a special navigator to follow you." Don't worry about navigation. ”

Sun Chengzong shook his head: "No, no, no, we don't want to put this life-and-death issue in the hands of others, so we need your navigation skills to compare with our stargazing skills." ”

Natz shook his head, navigation is the most important technology in navigation, if this thing is mastered by the Chinese, then there may be nothing to do with the Dutch.

Sun Chengzong began to follow the temptation: "Special envoy, we just want to verify whether our stargazing technique is correct, and you don't agree to such a small request, which makes me doubt your sincerity." ”

Natz looked at Sun Chengzong uncertainly, wanting to see some clues from his face, Sun Chengzong said with sincerity: "The envoy should know that my Ming Dynasty has always forbidden the sea, and it was not until the Longqing period that the sea was opened, we don't need to trade everywhere to meet our needs, and our emperor actually wants to ban the sea." ”

Natz thought for a moment and said, "This matter is too big, I have to go back and ask for instructions, I don't know what Lord Chincha wants, and I will tell it together, so I can report it to the Governor." ”

Sun Chengzong asked Chen Shiying next to him: "You have been to Batavia, do you see what else is better than us in Hongmao?" ”

Chen Shiying knew what he meant, so he replied: "The guns of the Dutch ships are extremely powerful, and their guns are also very good, it seems that they can send some imitations from us." ”

So Sun Chengzong said to Natz: "Send some artillery and guns, send 100 guns, send 500 guns, how about it, and send the manufacturing technology as well." ”

Natz shook his head and said, "I don't need to ask the governor to call the shots, I can send some artillery and guns, but I can't give you the manufacturing technology." ”

Sun Chengzong said with a smile: "If you don't have the technology, what should you do if the artillery and firecrackers you sent are used up?" Isn't that going to be scrap metal? ”

Natz knew that the arquebuses of the Ming army were small and had a slow rate of fire, and they did not use any powerful artillery in the battle with the Ming army, if the artillery and musket manufacturing technology was really given to the Ming army, then with the terrifying population base of the Ming Dynasty, the Dutch would soon have no advantage in the face of the Ming army.

Natz said: "There is really no way to do this, that navigation technique is still negotiable, but there is no way to negotiate this." ”

Sun Chengzong said with a smile: "Don't worry, maybe your governor will think it's okay." If you want, we can set aside a piece of land for you, emulating Macao, as a place for your trade, how about it? ”

Natz was determined: "We do want to have a fixed place for trade, but I really can't make the decision on military matters, please ask the minister for your understanding." ”

Sun Chengzong saw that his tone was slightly relaxed, and he knew in his heart that he was not completely unable to make decisions, and he should be able to accept the conditions he proposed, but in fact, the artillery and guns of the Ming army were no worse than those of the Dutch, so he said: "Then if you can't send the production technology of firearms, then the tax will be more, how about eighty?" ”

Natz replied, "Lord Chincha, if it is calculated at eighty percent, isn't it more expensive than the price we received outside?" In this way, why should we trade with Daming, just receive the goods in the open sea, no, at most fifty percent. ”

Sun Chengzong tried to fight for Liaodong last time, but was defeated by Wang Zaijin, and he often had regrets in his heart. However, from that incident, he knew that what the emperor wanted was to do practical things and fight for interests.

Although it is a bit unseemly to say that the emperor of a great country is like a businessman, he also knows the difficulties of the emperor in charge, just like the hall of Beijing Normal University, the tuition and living expenses of the first year are all free, calculated according to the emperor's high requirements, the expenditure for a year is very considerable, where does the money come from? Of course, it is up to the ministers to get money from everywhere, and as long as they can get the money, they can satisfy the emperor.

He had already done his homework, so he said unhurriedly: "If you can indeed get some goods by smuggling and robbery, can you guarantee the quantity?" Can you guarantee that no one will resist? Besides, we don't want to ignore you now, if we really send a large army, we can raze your forces in Penghu one day, and then you will have to settle accounts together for the robbery of merchant ships. ”

In fact, whether the Dutch are taking the goods in Xu Suxin's hands or robbing merchant ships, the biggest problem is the quantity, China's goods are shipped back to Europe at least ten times more profitable, and from Xu Suxin's hands, there are actually as much as six or seven percent of the money Xu Suxin took away, so they don't really care too much about the tax money, as long as the amount is enough, the tax money is really just a drizzle compared to the money earned.

Of course, Natz thinks that what Sun Chengzong said about one day is just a face-saving remark, and he will not break him: "As long as Lord Qincha can give us a place to concentrate on business, the tax money is also negotiable, it is better to sixty percent, so that everyone is good." ”

Sun Chengzong said: "We will not only set aside a place to trade with you, but also protect your safety. If the envoy does not agree to such conditions, then please return. ”

Natz had already recognized the tax rate of eighty percent in his heart, and since Sun Chengzong was so insistent now, he also pushed the boat along the river: "Lord Qincha, since you must insist, then according to your requirements, the tax rate is set at eighty percent, but we don't need your protection, we will build a city like Macao to protect ourselves." ”

Seeing that he agreed, Sun Chengzong breathed a sigh of relief: "The defense of the city of Macau is the responsibility of the Francois himself, but all kinds of management in the city are the responsibility of my Daming, so we still follow this method for you Dutch, unless there is no Chinese in your city, then who do you do business with?" ”

Natz thought about it, there are Chinese in the city, so it is understandable that the Chinese want to set up a government to administer it, and the same is true of Macau, so he acquiesced.

Natz said, "Lord Chincha, I don't know where to give us the Dutch?" ”

Sun Chengzong said with a smile: "Don't worry, there is still something to do, you plundered a total of one hundred and fifty-eight of us from the sea off Zhangpu last time, I don't know how you are going to deal with this matter?" ”

Natz said: "We will send back the plundered Ming people, please rest assured." ”

Sun Chengzong lowered his face and said, "Is it over to send it back lightly?" Of course, you have to send them back, and you have to compensate them. ”

Natz replied, "We are willing to compensate them for their losses, and I would like to ask Lord Chincha to instruct them on how to compensate." ”

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