Facing the endless waves of Hildebrand in the audience, William sat on the throne, always with his arms crossed, looking like a cold bystander, watching the other party's performance with great interest.

Even though Hilbrand tried to persuade William, William just refused to let go of the Holy See, and what Hilbrande said about William also knew that the left and right were just divine rights of kings, and the legitimacy of the king's rule needed to be recognized by the church, otherwise William's rule would be a castle in the air and the like, and the other party tried to forcibly instill his own ideas into William, trying to forcibly persuade William to let go of the Holy See.

If William hadn't had already had his own understanding of the power of the church, perhaps he would have been moved by Hildebrand's seemingly plausible rhetoric.

Facing the chattering Hildebrand, William was already a little impatient, he waved his hand to stop the other party, and said: "Your Excellency, please leave, I have made up my mind, and I will go south to Rome immediately after the beginning of spring!" ”

"Your Majesty, please think twice, the Holy See is the guide of the Catholic Church, and if you target the Holy See, you are the enemy of the entire Catholic Church!" Seeing that his words could not impress the other party, Hildebrand turned to threaten William.

"Poof! Ahahahaha......" When William heard this, he couldn't help laughing, and he burst out laughing, and his laughter grew louder and louder, so that at last he held his stomach and laughed loudly, regardless of the king's majesty.

"I wonder why Your Majesty is laughing?" Hildebrand was puzzled by this, and in the past, monarchs of other countries would have wisely chosen to back down in the face of his threats, rather than laughing at his threats as William did today.

"Since you know, I'll tell you." William stopped laughing, looked at Hildebrand, and explained slowly: "The power of the church, of course, I am very clear, it and the king are two parallel forces in the world, respectively in charge of spiritual and political affairs, the two pillars of the Christian world, and the two are parallel to each other, and have no affiliation.

Your Briny faction, because of your own selfish desires, is so bold that it is against God's will to try to put ecclesiastical power above worldly power, and that's why I have to fight your Cluny faction thoroughly!

The Church wields the power of ideological judgment and can influence the reputation of the monarch by all means, but so what?

The Norman kingdom is thriving, everything is new, the nobles, the clergy, the gentry and the commoners are all bowing down to me, what is the use of your little means?

Since you cannot incite my subjects and people to betray me, how much of a deterrent is your threat?

What's more, do you think that the Holy See is the representative of the entire Christian Church? The Holy See is not the same as the Christian Church, I already control one-third of the power of the Church, and the churches in England, France and Lorraine are under my control. ”

As William said, the Holy See is not the same as Christianity, just as communism is not the same as the Nth International, the Kingdom of France, as the eldest daughter of the Christian Church, is fully capable of competing with the Holy See, which is why William is not afraid of the Pope's expulsion, William, who controls the churches in Britain, France and Lorraine, already has the capital to confront the Holy See.

Hildebrand's heart tightened violently when William said the sore spot, but with his extraordinary psychological qualities, he quickly calmed down, and said with allegiance:

"Your Majesty, do you have any misunderstanding about the Holy See and the Cluny Seminary, we have never tried to be your enemy, nor have we ever tried to let the clergy take precedence over secular power, we are both equals, mutually supportive and dependent.

There have been some conflicts between us before, but these have been caused by certain misunderstandings, and now that your friend Nicholas II is in charge of St. Peter's throne, he will be able to resolve the misunderstandings between the two sides and live together peacefully. ”

After saying that, Hildebrand again took out the Pope's handwritten letter, which had been discarded by William, and presented it to William and said: "His Majesty is willing to revoke the excommunication decree given to you by the former Pope Sdewang IX, restore your honor, and will recognize your legitimate royal authority in the name of 'Holy Father, Holy Son and Holy Spirit', so as to ensure that your power will be passed on from generation to generation." ”

This was the last weight that Hildebrand could come up with, that is, to restore William's teachings, and to consolidate William's rule over England, France, and Lorraine in the name of William's legitimate kingship recognized "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit".

Hildebrand's words also implied another meaning: if William was unwilling to accept reconciliation, the Holy See would no longer recognize William's legitimate kingship in the name of "the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit", regard William's rule as illegal, and let the princes of the world crusade against him.

Hildebrand was actually pointing at William's nose and saying, "If you don't want to reconcile, I'm going to call on everyone to kill you, bastard who betrayed the teachings of the Cross!" Demon! ”

In the Middle Ages, when the people were still very ignorant, when a bishop said to a lord, "You are a demon, and your religion has been abolished", basically the local people will run to other territories, and other lords will take the opportunity to attack him.

At that time, the Catholic incitement ability was arguably the most powerful, especially when most of the clergy still maintained a hard-working style, and its strong incitement ability was an extremely terrifying threat to the lords.

Hildebrand's threat may be a threat to the Holy Roman Empire or other countries with weak royal power, but for the Norman kingdom, which is already extremely centralized, the threat is negligible, and William's powerful propaganda tools, coupled with his help from the French Church, are enough to neutralize the incitement of the Catholic Church.

In addition, the Church could indeed influence the reputation of the monarch through various propaganda means, but these methods were limited by the speed of information dissemination at the time, which made the effectiveness of such methods questionable, and the idea of "sovereignty in the people" was not mature at that time, and even if the people were dissatisfied, it was difficult to pose a substantial threat to the rule of the monarchs of various countries.

"Do you think that's useful? My ruling power is earned by the blood of me and my subjects, and it cannot be shaken by mere words.

It is the ambition of the Sisters of Cluny to oppose me again and again, to control the Holy See and try to rise above all secular monarchs!

I, the king of all the Normans, the king of France, England, and Lorraine, solemnly swear that for the sake of the purity of the Holy See, for the complete destruction of the evil Clunes, and for the orthodoxy of the Pope, I will go south to Rome after the beginning of spring, cleanse the Church, and return the Holy See to a clear sky! ”