Chapter 44: Kneel or not
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The Dutch have been operating here for a long time, and have been attacking the Portuguese since four years ago, which was only known and confirmed after years of contact.
Although he knew a little about Europe, he didn't know anything about the country that suddenly appeared.
Now there are many wastes waiting to be built, both to start trade and to try to drive away the tiger.
Egada Salad had to admit that the terms offered by these people who had suddenly appeared were very generous, and they showed great interest in the trade of their own country.
It's different from the Dutch, who want spices. In addition to spices, they also mainly came into contact with local Chinese or Japanese merchants in Pattani, as a springboard, and lacked sufficient interest in goods within Thailand.
If what is said in these instruments is true, then the problem is simpler.
After thinking about it for a while, Egada Salad decided to meet the messenger sent by the group in person.
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The envoy was naturally not Jian Chen, and there was also an internal discussion before the envoy traveled from Pattani to Ayutthaya.
It wasn't about policy or treaty, and there was no opposition from the people in the fleet. They are not familiar with this place, basically Chen Jian is making ideas, given Chen Jian's consistent performance and reputation, they choose to trust, and Chen Jian will also give enough explanations before giving opinions.
However, other problems arise.
After setting sail from Mincheng, the people in the fleet saw the outside world and had a general understanding of the outside world, and a clash of culture or habits inevitably appeared.
For example, what is the etiquette of the envoy when he meets the king of Thailand? What should it look like? This requires a plausible reason, and it does not provide a precedent for future exchanges, and it can be regarded as a task for the officials of the Ministry of Rites who followed Chen Jian on his voyage.
What kind of etiquette should I use to meet you? Is it a habit of respecting each other? Or stick to the habit on your side? And which habit should you choose?
Since you want to blend into the world and become a part of the dominant world, you can't ignore these things.
Or, rely on influence to get everyone to agree. Since there are differences and disputes, then under unification, everything will be stable.
However, there is no such ability now, and neither force nor cultural influence is enough.
The basis for discussion of any issue should be based on reality. Today's reality is that everyone is different, has its own habits, and has its own customs, and how do we need to face the reality based on this?
The accompanying officials of the Ministry of Rites first raised questions.
"The etiquette here is completely different from ours, what kind of etiquette should we use to meet the current king of Thailand? And that legendary China in the future? It's like two completely different worlds. ”
Jian Chen asked rhetorically, "How can they be two completely different worlds?" The reality is that there is only one world, and this is the science that cannot be changed. We are all in this world. ”
"Mr. Chen, that's not the case. For example, Bi Danian, he is a vassal state of Thailand, and theoretically the status of this vassal state is lower than that of Thailand. How do we deal with the relationship between subjects and great powers? If it is equal to the subject state, is it equal to the controlling country? If we are equal to the controlling state, are we also a cut above the subject state? ”
Frowning, Jian Chen also wondered: "I don't know this question either." Let's not talk about this for the time being, let's talk about etiquette first. Since the reality is that the world is still divided, each with its own system, not yet fully connected, it must be based on this fact. ”
"Take etiquette, for example. You insist on our own etiquette to meet the monarchs of the rest of the countries, and I do not agree with this for the time being. If we want to do this, we can only make our habits and etiquette become the habits and etiquette of the world, but now we don't have the strength. You don't deny that, do you? ”
At this point, everyone in the meeting nodded and said, "That's true." Just like Pattani, in addition to their own army, there are other countries. With our current navy and army, the number of troops stationed in this area is only one or two thousand, and it is difficult to rely on this person to get them to agree. ”
Jian Chen smiled: "The fist is important, but what is other than the fist is also important. This kind of thing is not urgent. That being the case, I'll give you an inappropriate example. What if...... Well, let's say that the most friendly and formal etiquette for us is to take off our pants and kiss each other's buttocks. So, if we go to another country at this time, in order to show our friendship, we must rip off the pants of the monarch of another country and kiss his ass? ”
A group of people were laughing there, and Jian Chen said again: "Look, isn't this problem just there?" ”
One shook his head and said, "That's not what I said. Now that the world is no longer the corners of the original world, but united into a whole. Then, just like people, there is the same between countries as there are people between people. But now, all this has just begun, and countries like people also need honor, respect, and recognition with each other. So this kind of honor, recognition and respect, is it necessary to look at the eyes of others? Or do you want to be responsible for your own people first? Mr. Chen, you must know that we are not representing ourselves, but representing the people behind us. Suppose that others treat us with what the countrymen consider humiliating etiquette, then it is not only us who are insulted. ”
Jian Chen waved his hand and said, "You are wrong. We took the initiative to go, not someone else begged us to go, so it's a bit too much for you to think so, right? I don't want to go back and have a bunch of young men throw bombs in my carriage. ”
Lan Qi, who had been silent, sighed and said: "It's not a question of whether to throw bombs or not, but if the country is compared to a single person, then what kind of attitude should the envoy, as the representative of the country, have towards the kings of the other countries?" If the envoy represents himself, then there is nothing wrong with respecting the habits of the other party and saluting according to the local customs of the monarch. However, if the envoy represents the country behind him, then why should he face the monarch of this country with an inferior posture? Since they are equal, should they be faced with the etiquette of equal people? ”
Seeing that Jian Chen seemed to have some intention of objecting, Lan Qi smiled and said, "This is not your problem, nor is it a problem of one ethnic group, but a problem of human equality." Of course, it doesn't make sense. You're right, we took the initiative to go, not someone else begged us to come. Besides, no one believes in such things as equality, so how can nations believe in it? So, just as you say Gelasius in the Netherlands, the basis of international law recognized by the world is either the tributary system and the papal system under the crushing of force or culture, or the existence of equal people, and then the conclusion of sovereign states by these equal people, before international law based on natural rights can be considered. ”
In the end, she spread her hands and said helplessly: "I'm talking about theory, not solving practical problems." ”
There was silence for a while, Chen Jian looked around and saw that those were silent, this problem involved a lot of things.
One person couldn't help this silence, and finally spoke: "Mr. Chen, let's not mention Mr. Lan Qi's theories for the time being, just talk about the most practical." ”
"Please."
"Mr. Chen, here, you are the representative of the National People's Council and the king, and all the treaties involved will eventually be signed by you, which will be recorded in the history books. It is true that interests are important, but so is honor or perceived insults. Whatever decision is made, unless it is particularly offensive to the dignity and interests of the people, we will listen to you. In this matter, it is actually not that serious, but it is only you who makes the decision. If a hundred years later, someone looks through the history books, points to your name, and scolds you for insulting the Chinese people, have you ever thought about this question? ”
Another person chimed in: "Yes, Mr. Chen, those treaties and etiquette are made and observed, and what is left is your name after all. In the future, as you say, nations will be nominally equal to each other. People look through the history books and see that you, Mr. Chen, have made the envoys of your own country kneel before the monarchs of other countries, what do you do? Besides, we all know that your party is the most egalitarian, so why are you so conceding in this matter? We can't figure it out. ”
And, as Mr. Lan Qi said, is this kind of etiquette based on country to country? Or at the moment of the salute, to reduce oneself to the status of a separate person and not on behalf of the state? Respect the local law, your words can be used as an explanation: it is true that we came on our own, not invited by others, so we need to respect the local law. But can the same be said about etiquette? ”
Jian Chen was stunned for a moment, then nodded, "I understand." So be it, even if it's my personal decision. Record the accompanying paperwork. ”
The accompanying clerk came over and asked, "How do you remember?" ”
"Write down everything you just said. In addition, the crowd stopped him, and Chen Jian, with the right granted by the National Council and the king, thought that this move would be beneficial to the people of the country and the assembly of the people, that is, the country, so he decided to respect the etiquette of the rest of the countries. You write it, and I'll sign it when I'm done. ”
Smiling, while waiting for the accompanying paperwork, Jian Chen quietly sighed.
After the accompanying documents recorded all this, Chen Jian signed his name, pressed his seal, raised the paper in his hand and said, "Okay, this matter is settled." But it's only a temporary solution. I hope that in the future world, our rules and etiquette will be dominant, but I can't do it now. So be it, after I go back, I hope that the people of the country will work hard, instead of using this helpless method again. ”
After looking around, Jian Chen pointed to his head, clenched his fist again, and nodded his mouth.
"Everyone, if you want to do that, you need your fists, your mouth, and your head."