This time Spexes looked very gentlemanly, "As for Sulawesi, the East India Company has only established a foothold in the south, and the land developed is limited to the Makassar region in the south, I know that the Han people are already engaged in trading activities in Manado in the north, if the Ming Dynasty is interested, we can jointly run this island, but ......"

"But what? If the Governor has any ideas, you might as well finish it all at once. Zheng Zhilong spread out his right hand and made a "please" gesture to Spex.

"The Han people have only started their activities in the northernmost region, and our East India Company has established a large number of strongholds in the south and has the actual management rights of a large amount of land," Spex glanced at Zheng Zhilong, and saw that Zheng Zhilong's face was calm, so he had the courage to continue, "For the sake of fairness, seventy percent of the land in the south belongs to the Netherlands, and thirty percent of the land in the north can be given to the Ming Dynasty." ”

Spex's real meaning, the Dutch came to Sulawesi first, and it should still belong to the Netherlands, but since Zheng Zhilong came, he couldn't taste the sweetness at all, and he would definitely not give up, so he divided a part of the land, but he didn't want to operate it with the Ming Dynasty, the Han people had too many people, and with the support of the South China Sea Fleet, if they jointly operated these lands with the Ming Dynasty, the Han people would definitely continue to encroach on the interests of the East India Company in the future.

If Zheng Zhilong is strong, he can give up ownership of the entire island of Sulawesi, which is after all the latest land developed by the East India Company, and most of the land is not yet familiar.

This is a negotiation skill, Spex took the initiative to put forward his own ideas, even his own felt very domineering, but he would have an advantage in his heart, Zheng Zhilong couldn't also oppose this, so he also objected, right?

Zheng Zhilong smiled secretly in his heart, this Spex, is more greedy than himself, almost all of the four disputed areas are occupied by him, could it be that he worked so hard to come here just to have a cup of tea? Although I don't fully know Spex's hole card yet, this hole card is not important to Zheng Zhilong at all.

All he needs to do is know his hole cards.

Zheng Zhilong stared at Spex's blue eyes very rudely, until the other party's eyes showed timidity, and then said slowly: "Your Excellency the Governor, I think there should be some principles to determine the ownership of these lands, instead of talking about it, if there is no sincerity and no consideration of the actual situation, there is no need for negotiations to continue." ”

"Principles? Commander Zheng said, what is the principle? "Spex has a feeling that Zheng Zhilong wants to overturn all his claims instead of tinkering with his decisions.

Zheng Zhilong took a sip of tea and moistened his throat before he said: "If the Dutch now have the right to administer and these islands will always belong to the Netherlands, then I may ask Your Excellency the Governor, are the Dutch indigenous to these islands?" How did the Dutch acquire the management of the islands? ”

These islands were basically seized by force by the Dutch from the Portuguese, Spanish or local natives, because they were stronger than them, and the Dutch did not say anything to them about the actual management, but directly sent troops to expel the opponents.

Now the Dutch are about to become the next Portugal and Spain, and they will face the more powerful Ming.

Spex's head began to sweat, he felt chills all over his body, Zheng Zhilong said well, since the Netherlands can expel Portugal and Spain by force, then the Ming can also expel the Netherlands by force, but the army in his hand is far from being the opponent of the Ming Dynasty.

If we really want to solve the problem by force, I am afraid that even Java Island will not be able to be saved.

Portugal and Spain completely withdrew from Nanyang in the face of the Ming Dynasty's armed forces, and after thinking calmly for a while, Spex still decided to negotiate, but he wanted to see Zheng Zhilong's hole cards, "Then according to Commander Zheng's meaning, how to divide these four pieces of land?" ”

"It's very simple, based on distance, history, strength." With Zheng Zhilong's character, he really hopes for a duel on the battlefield, happy revenge, the strength of the Ming South China Sea Fleet is now far beyond the Dutch East India Company, just like Portugal and Spain, after the victory of the war, he will use force to coerce the Netherlands, and he is not afraid that Sparks will run into the sky.

But Zheng Zhilong also understands that he is no longer the leader of the pirates, he is the supreme commander of the Daming South China Sea Fleet, and Zhu Youzhen's admonition is listed.

According to Zhu Youzhen's meaning, the Ming Dynasty is too far away from Europe, and it does not yet have an absolute advantage over Europe, but the footprints of the Ming Dynasty will sooner or later set foot on Europe, the most developed and active land in the world.

Therefore, the best way is not to completely expel the Europeans by force, but to use strength as a backing, negotiate with the Europeans, and strive for the greatest interests under the premise of peace.

When the Ming Dynasty has accumulated enough strength and international prestige, the strength of Nanyang will be reshuffled again, depending on who can achieve enough strength in the future development.

The South China Sea Fleet seized Luzon and Malacca by force, which was a matter of last resort, Luzon was the foothold of the Ming Dynasty in the South Seas, and Malacca was the main route of communication to control the trade between the East and the West, all of which were indispensable, even so, the Ming Dynasty was still willing to take over the palace in a peaceful way.

Zheng Zhilong's bottom line now is to threaten with force and let the Ming Dynasty have a perfect layout in the Nanyang region, rather than expelling the Dutch by force, unless they don't open their eyes.

"What is distance, history, strength?" Spex was faintly worried about Zheng Zhilong's words, and seemed to wipe out the actual management of the East India Company in the South Seas region in a few words.

"The so-called distance is the distance between these lands and the Netherlands and Daming, the mainland of the Netherlands is in Europe, tens of thousands of miles away from the South Seas, and Daming is close at hand, so in terms of distance, it will be clear who this place should belong to."

"Commander Zheng......"

Zheng Zhilong waved his hand and told Spex to shut up, "The so-called history is the historical relationship between these lands and the Netherlands and the Ming Dynasty, as early as when Zheng He went to the Western Ocean, the ocean-going ships of the Ming Dynasty came to these places, established trade bases, and conducted legal trade, and then Portugal and Spain invaded these places one after another, and the trade activities of the Ming Dynasty were forced to be interrupted. However, this was after the expulsion of Portugal and Spain, which was much later than that of the Ming Dynasty. ”

"When Commander Zheng says about strength, do you mean military strength?" Spex finally chimed in.

"As for strength, it refers to the strength of the entire country, including military strength, of course," Zheng Zhilong glanced at Spex, and the meaning of provocation was very strong, "The strength of the Ming Dynasty is here, it is obviously superior to the Netherlands, and if there is really a war, then Java Island will also be the target of the Ming Dynasty." ”

"Is Commander Zheng threatening me?" Spex's advance is retreat.

Zheng Zhilong gave a very clear answer from Spex: "No, the Ming Dynasty is not willing to go to war with the Netherlands, and we expect to resolve the territorial dispute in a peaceful way, but if the peace that the Ming Dynasty hopes for cannot be realized, the final way to solve the problem can only be war, speaking with strength." ”

Zheng Zhilong did not have a clear demand for negotiation like Spex, he only put forward the principles of solving the problem, according to these principles, the ownership of these islands is very clear, and the actual and effective management emphasized by Spex was shattered by Zheng Zhilong.

In particular, according to historical principles, these disputed islands should all belong to the Ming Dynasty, and the Dutch are inadequate invaders of the South Seas.

Although Zheng Zhilong stole the concept of effective management, for example, when Zheng He went to the West, although he established trading warehouses in some places, he did not exercise de facto occupation of these lands, nor did he form de facto management rights.

This is completely different from the complete dismemberment and extermination of the small independent states of these lands by the Dutch.

The trading warehouse established by Zheng He was not even an overseas military base, and it was fundamentally different from the trading base established by the Dutch.

But Zheng Zhilong was not worried, in case Spex raised these textual problems, he would ask Spex to restore the historical status quo to the Nanyang region, that is, the Ming Dynasty continued to establish trading warehouses in the Nanyang, while the Dutch needed to leave the Nanyang, completely interrupt the trade between the East and the West, and return to the European mainland.

Speix really didn't dwell on this issue, Zheng Zhilong's theory of history had already made him realize whether the rule of the Dutch in the Nanyang region was legal? That is, who allowed the Dutch to have administration in this area?

The advantage in his heart was disintegrated by Zheng Zhilong at this moment.

If the Dutch relied on strong military strength to obtain the right to manage the Nanyang region, then the more powerful Ming Dynasty could completely seize the management of these areas from the Dutch, and then form a de facto management right, the law of the jungle, which the Dutch used to do.

The Netherlands is a small country, and the shipbuilding industry and commerce are more developed, compared with the Ming Dynasty, even if the whole country is poured, I am afraid it is not an opponent, and the Netherlands itself is far away from the South Seas, and there are Portugal, Spain, Great Britain, and France around it, and the government cannot send all the navies to the South Seas.

Fortunately, Zheng Zhilong did not choose war, he is seeking to solve the problem in a peaceful way.

Spex's decision was made to seize this rare opportunity.

"If the ownership of the land is resolved by war, it will not be beneficial to both sides, and the East India Company came to Nanyang to seek wealth rather than to test force with the Ming Dynasty, so I am willing to work with Commander Zheng to solve the problem in a peaceful way, as the governor of the East India Company, personally participating in this negotiation is itself a sign of sincerity."

"The sincerity of the peace talks is not in the mouth, but in the actions, in the plan for dividing the land," Zheng Zhilong glanced at Spex meaningfully, "Since His Excellency the Governor has the sincerity of the peace talks, then please release your sincerity." ”

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