Chapter 264: Interview with BBC

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Yanayev was accompanied by Soviet Foreign Minister Shevardnadze in London, England, as a way to let the West know more about the Soviet Union, to change the bad image that the government had been promoting for decades, and to show the West the true face of the Soviet Union. Tell them that we are now a friendly and kind country, not the dictatorial empire that is under the watchful eye of KGB agents at all times.

The young and energetic Foreign Minister Shevardnadze on the screen immediately attracted the attention of all the audience, compared with the previous Foreign Minister with the same surname Shevardnadze, this time the image is obviously much in line with the temperament. At least compared to the twilight old man-politics, Shevardnadze is a beautiful landscape.

Yanayev chose him for the same reason because of his sharp performance. At least let this young man attend, Yanayev has a feeling that I am relieved that you are doing things. After all, the current Soviet Union is not the most dangerous moment of 1991, and there is no need for Yanayev to go out and show his head and fight with Western presenters on television. Whether they are American journalists or British journalists, these people have a problem, that is, they like to talk about things in terms of consciousness-form.

Just as Shevardnadze was sitting in the live broadcast hall, British Radio and Television host Marvin began to brew his own offensive. After Shevardnadze had introduced himself in front of the television, Marvin began to focus on the Soviet Foreign Minister.

"Hello, Minister Shevardnadze, it's a pleasure for you to come to our show. It is well known that during the Cold War, there was a conscious=morphological hostility in the West towards socialist countries, but I think many people have very curious questions about the Soviet Union. Then I hope that Minister Shevardnadze can answer them for us. ”

"Absolutely." Facing the lights and cameras. Shevardnadze put on a friendly smile on his face. He changed his position, trying to sit more comfortably. He was fully prepared for this interview, and the purpose was to make the other party bite the other party when he tried to hack the Soviet Union.

Sure enough, Marvin did not disappoint Shevardnadze, and the first question was about his views on the United States.

"U.S. President Mario gave a speech today, specifically about how the United States will continue to be the world's leader, about a hundred years. The USSR and other socialist countries will also be bourgeoisified, what does Minister Shevardnadze think about this? ”

"I don't know what the U.S. thinks of world leaders is that if it's creating war and conflict in the region and plundering the local economy and resources. I hope that such world leaders will get out of the way sooner. There is a saying that some people always like to hold others to the standards of Jesus and to themselves by the standards of animals. Of course, this sentence is also completely true at the national level. The Soviet Union never considered a great power that persecuted other regimes to be a qualified world leader. Not to mention a century, it is not wrong to survive ten years."

Marven was a little dumbfounded, he didn't expect Shevardnadze to answer so neatly. Obviously, it was like a long-planned plan, if it weren't for the fact that his problems were all random, Marvin really thought that his director had colluded with Soviet officials.

"The Soviet Union mentioned that the United States was the troublemaker of the world, and I don't really agree with that. The United States has also made indelible contributions to world peace......"

"Yes, he did contribute to world peace." Shevardnadze sarcastically said. "As long as the president of the United States raises his noble hand, he will do nothing. Then the President of the United States has a chance to win the Nobel Peace Prize. Isn't it? ”

Marvin found that he was no match for the politician when it came to discussing the question of the United States, so he had to change the topic and open a breakthrough on the issue of consciousness-form.

"I heard that the Soviet Union is now undergoing market-oriented reforms that allow the circulation of capital and finance. Does this mean that you have abandoned the socialist system you have adhered to and have switched to the embrace of capitalism? Or is it that the Soviet Union has actually admitted in disguise that socialism has failed, but you don't say it? ”

Marven asked this question a bit tricky, and he specifically talked about the issues of ideology-form and political system, just to make the other party admit that what he originally insisted on was just a wrong choice. Shevardnadze glanced up at the somewhat triumphant BBC host sitting across from him, his smile tinged with a subtle hint of sarcasm. The studio light shone on his face, and his expression was slightly distorted.

At the same time, he also looked around, and everyone else was focused on himself because of the question. Shevardnadze shook his head, somewhat mocking the self-righteous stupidity of these people. He stared into the eyes of the host Marven. "If you say that, then I would like to ask if Roosevelt, when he implemented his New Economic Policy, did he also declare that capitalism had failed?" You know, he was criticized as a traitor to communism because of this policy. ”

But Roosevelt's policies not only did not fail, but also led the American economy out of its predicament and toward take-off. The so-called market is a means, not the most critical determinant. So when the Marvin host sees Roosevelt's economic policies, will he still think that our implementation of market-oriented reforms negates our own system? ”

Shevardnadze speaks English fluently and even with a hint of London. He was like the strongest king in control of the situation, and all the slander, slander, and ridicule seemed to Shevardnadze to be nothing more than a painless tickle.

"Is it against the ideals of Lenin and Stalin that you are cooperating with the capitalists whom we once hated? They have devoted their whole lives to the elimination of so-called capitalist exploitation and the elimination of polarization, and now you are creating a bunch of capitalists? ”

Marvin didn't stop attacking, his questions became more acute than the other, just wondering how many questions Shevardnadze would be speechless. After all, the British radio and television host is one of the biggest headaches for British government officials.

"Excuse me, but if you think that you have found a breakthrough in the Soviet political system on this issue, it will be in vain. After all, your question is relatively naΓ―ve, and Wallace of the United States doesn't know how tall he is above you, but we still talk and laugh with him. ”

"Our ultimate goal is simply to achieve the level of common prosperity through capital and the market. The elimination of exploitation, the elimination of extreme polarization, this is the faithful will of Moscow. We are fundamentally different from the business elite, oh no, it should be said that the vampires of the London Stock Exchange, the difference is how we treat the people, whether we treat them as lambs of the harvest or the masters of the government. This is also some of the life lessons that an elder has learned about you. ”

Marven's face was a little embarrassed, he didn't expect that while he was mocking the other party, he was also killed by the elegant man opposite. Mance's coherent tone and the smile that didn't hang on his lips gave him the illusion that he was sitting opposite him not from a totalitarian state, but an authentic English gentleman.

"However, the human rights situation in the Soviet Union is very bad, and according to the US White Paper on Human Rights, the KGB still abuses its rights against ordinary citizens. Marvin gritted his teeth and made a final struggle, human rights have always been the most sensitive issue in the Soviet Union. From the Great Purge to the Kazan Psychiatric Hospital, from the Gulag concentration camps to the persecution of intellectuals, human rights have always been a topic of criticism in the West.

"I think the Americans' white paper on human rights must have not been updated for a long time, or that they have been speculating on human rights issues in the Soviet Union by their imagination. It can be said that now the human rights situation in the USSR is even much better than in the United States. At the very least, the United States is still discriminating against people of color and suppressing riots on a daily basis. Didn't they have a large-scale crackdown on riots last year? ”

"In the past, the British police had conducted stop-and-search searches on ethnic minorities on the basis of reasonable suspicion. It was also because of this system that the Rodwater Farm riots broke out, is it possible that the human rights situation in the UK is also very bad? Shevardnadze asked with a smile. There was no aggressive tone, but the confrontation between the words made Marven a little powerless to parry. (To be continued.) )