Hearing Engels mention external forces, Zhu Jishi's eyebrows raised slightly, red Poland is a noose around the neck of world capitalism! Is there anyone else who will help them financially and technically?

Engels smiled calmly and said, "Jason, Poland's success is Russia's failure!" I guess, you can understand that, right? ”

Zhu Jishi didn't understand very well, he frowned slightly, and asked rhetorically: "Is it because of the Land and Freedom Society?" ”

"Yes, because of the Land and Freedom Society. Pen, fun, pavilion www. biquge。 info。 ybdu。 Engels laughed and said, "Poland is not the world of the Red Party, but belongs to the entire International Workingmen's Association, to the Russian Land and Freedom Society." And Mikhail. Although Bakunin's theory was wrong, it did pose a great threat to Russia. Because there has always been a relatively serious class antagonism in Russia, the strength and prosperity of the Russian Empire has always been based on the suffering of the serfs. If Russia were to speed up its industrialization in the future, the Russian peasants would continue to pay the price! ”

Engels smiled faintly and said: "Industrialization is always accompanied by suffering and blood and tears, a few people get rich, and most people are unlucky enough to become proletarians!" This is true throughout the industrialization of countries. Therefore, since the era of industrialization in Europe, there have been so many revolutions and turmoil, and the United States will have a civil war because of industrialization. ”

Zhu Jishi thought for a while and nodded approvingly. The early days of industrialization were indeed a very difficult process. At least that's how it is for late-developing countries. After surviving, it is a prosperous and powerful industrial country. If we can't get through it, civil strife, revolution, national split, foreign invasion, and all kinds of tragedies will be staged one by one. The Republic of China in another time and space. It's just that I haven't been able to boil out an industrialization. And in this space-time. Because of their own appearance. China's industrialization process is decades ahead of schedule, so it is much lower, and the external environment is not so bad.

Even so, in the process of industrialization, there were a series of social problems, such as the gradual collapse of the traditional gentry society, the bankruptcy of a large number of peasants and the departure of their homeland to develop new land, and the low income and lack of welfare of the working class.

If it weren't for the authority and one-step ahead of himself as the founding emperor, and the foundation laid in those years in Europe. The process of industrialization in the Ming Dynasty must be painful many times!

"Although the process of industrialization in Russia will not be smooth sailing, with Russia's resources and heritage, it can still finally complete industrialization and become a capitalist power like the Ming Dynasty. Mikhail. Bakunin's prophecy is completely unreasonable. Unless, unless, there can be a way of seeming easier, less painful, and faster development in front of the Russian intellectuals who think they have a conscience. This way is the Polish way of socialism! ”

Engels spoke in a low voice, with a very calm expression on his face, as if the conversation was not about the rise and fall of an empire, but about a small business of hundreds of thousands of silver dollars. But Zhu Jishi's face was cloudy. Engels clearly wanted to make Poland a red example! An example for the whole of Europe and the world. This example will show all that there is more than one path to an industrialized power.

"Is there such a way?" Emperor Zhu had a disdainful expression on his face. He knew a little bit about the situation in the socialist countries of later generations. Although there are quite a few examples of successful industrialization. But I haven't heard of anyone's industrialization coming easily, especially the history of the construction of the first socialist country, the Soviet Union, is a history of blood and tears!

"It could be there." Engels nodded and said with a smile, "The key is how you understand socialism, I think a democratic system with a certain amount of social welfare, a relatively fair distribution of wealth, and the state's scientific intervention in the economy is socialism!" ”

He paused for a moment, and then longed: "Poland has now achieved an equal distribution of land, and its industrialization has not yet begun, and the wealth of society is relatively dispersed, and there has not yet been a group of big bourgeoisie that can monopolize a country." The leaders who led the Polish people to independence were mostly progressive-minded socialists, who would not pursue domination like the Tsar or chase wealth like a capitalist. ”

"Friedrich, you mean that Poland can skip the capitalist stage and go straight to becoming a socialist state?" Zhu Jishi said. "It's not easy to develop by leaps and bounds, and Poland is still a small country surrounded by capitalism!"

"I'm not saying that Poland can skip the capitalist phase, I just think that capitalism and socialism can coexist in Poland. Just as state-owned industry and private factories can coexist, the revolutionaries in Poland did not now shout the slogan of abolishing private property. This shows that they want to pursue a socialism that coexists with capitalism, at least for now. ”

Engels smiled, "Jason, didn't we also put forward the concept of dynastic socialism?" If dynasties can coexist with socialism, then why can't capitalism and socialism coexist? ”

Can it be like this? Zhu Jishi thought to himself, this Engels god must have brought himself badly, and he has been a general manager with an annual salary of 100,000 pounds for a long time, and his thinking has changed!

Engels does not seem to have realized the seriousness of the problem, and in fact, Engels' views on private ownership in history were different from those of Marx. Oh, it was Engels in Western Europe, not Engels in the USSR and China.

Engels stood up at once, walked around the room, and continued to talk about his ideas: "And small countries have the advantage of small countries. I don't think Poland is in bad condition, it's a small country with a small population and fertile land, not a big country with a complicated situation like Russia or China. As long as you put yourself in the right position, you can still develop very well. If Poland had developed well, it would have had the greatest impact on the Russian system, because Tsarist Russia was indeed a country that was poorly managed and developed. Jason, this is the best chance to subvert Russia from within, and I don't think you should let it slip out of your hands! ”

Zhu Jishi actually didn't understand Engels' painstaking efforts, although they had been old friends for more than ten years. This great god now seems to be a socialist national giant, and he regards finding a road to socialism as his lifelong goal. Unlike another time and space, Engels now has the opportunity to put his ideas into practice!

During his years in China, he practiced the idea of state intervention and regulation of the economy, which is similar to the rudiments of a planned economy. After almost two five-year plans, Engels was very proficient in how to use the power of the state to regulate and guide the economy.

And now, he wanted to go to Poland to find a way to combine capitalism and socialism - and he wanted to do this at one point during the Ming Dynasty. But the situation in the Ming Dynasty is too complicated, the country is too big, things are too chaotic, and the population is too large, and there are endless wars. It is not only too difficult but also too irresponsible to use such a behemoth to carry out an "experiment in social reform...... Because, the failure of the experiment also means the failure of socialism! There will be no second chance for such an experiment. And Poland, a small country, is obviously a very ideal test subject.

Zhu Jishi was silent for a long time, just quietly looking at his old friend who was full of expectations for the future, and thought about it in his heart for a long time - isn't Poland's success impacting the system of the Ming Empire? However, its impact on Russia is definitely greater than the impact on the Ming Dynasty. If Russia becomes chaotic and turbulent, then it will become a burden on the allies, and the burden of the French and Roman Empires is already enough to carry a chaotic Russia on its back.

Thinking of this, he nodded slowly, "What do you need me to do for you?" Is it a loan? ”

Engels had already sat down opposite Zhu Jishi and smiled at him: "Of course the loan is needed. But what Poland needs most is security, and I think Poland needs a mutual defense treaty with China first, and then it can have a stable environment so that it can concentrate on the economy. (To be continued.) )