Although the Great Cloud Dynasty was more serious in leviing taxes and miscellaneous taxes because of foreign wars, it was still relatively free in speech and did not have so many restrictions.

Luoyang Academy, as a school approved by the emperor, of course, is more free to speak, otherwise it would not have held a debate with these foreigners in the middle of every month.

Next, the two sides engaged in a rhetorical debate on restricting the emperor's rights and interests and on the reform of the imperial examination.

In the debate between the two sides, both sides basically ask and answer each other, and no one interrupts the others.

The foreigners behaved very gentlemanly, and the talented people behaved very modestly, but the smell of gunpowder on the scene did not weaken in the slightest, and all kinds of novel opinions kept coming out of the mouths of both sides.

Lin Xishui was really eye-opening, I really didn't expect the debate in Luoyang Academy to be so interesting, if I had known earlier, I wouldn't have been forced by Su Ke at all, and I would have come here.

After listening carefully to the debates between the two sides, the foreigners belong to the innovative faction, and the academy belongs to the conservative faction.

And neither of Lucy and Su Ke participated in the discussion, they all listened carefully to the views of the debaters on both sides, just like the boss in the account, using his mental power to guide his companions and inspire words.

As the debate deepened, Lin Xishui gradually found that the academic side was slowly at an impasse, and the other party's advantages became more and more obvious!

When talking about the change of the law, a member of the academic school said: "Since the founding of the Great Cloud Dynasty, compared with the previous dynasty, we have not only established a new school, but even trained the army, abolished the prime minister system, and other improvements, Isn't the law always changing? May I ask Mr. Jack, what is the difference between the changes you are talking about and the changes that my Great Cloud Dynasty has always had? ”

The handsome guy called Jack laughed and said in a Chinese full of Hangzhou accent: "What Mr. Zhao said is called change, not called change, there is an ancient Chinese saying, called the law is the outline, the thing is the goal, the outline is the eye, the change of things and the law, that is the repair of the original system, only the change of the branches, this is like a house has decayed, but we are just like a pastemaker, the east and the west repair, but in the end, the house still can't withstand the wind and waves, it will collapse." Therefore, it is necessary to 'dismantle the beams and replace the pillars', and completely change the system of the Great Cloud Dynasty in order to make it move towards the road of prosperity and strength. ”

Jack not only speaks Chinese well, but also opens his mouth to idioms and allusions, and he simply flies up.

After saying this, the four members of the academic school were speechless, and they didn't know how to refute it.

Lin Xishui sounded very fresh, and said in his heart that this group of old and foreign idioms are used so well, it seems that he has been in the Dayun Dynasty for a while, and he has a deep understanding of Chinese culture.

Since they call themselves England, they must be British, who do not worry about their own country, but worry about the affairs of other countries, and really admire their spirit of having nothing to do when they are full.

Seeing that there was no sound from Luoyang College, Wang Fangyi suddenly stood up and took over the topic: "Listening to Mr. Jack's macro theory, do you mean to change greatly, specially, and unchanged." However, the ancients said: 'The sky does not change, and the Tao does not change'. ”

The implication of this sentence is obvious, even if the speech is open, no one from the Great Cloud Dynasty will dare to go any further.

But Jack is not a member of the Great Cloud Dynasty at all, so he obviously has no scruples, and opened his mouth to retort: "Human society is constantly changing, and it is getting more and more progressive. The Great Cloud Dynasty must also change at any time. ”

"In my opinion, the emperor's vision of the Great Cloud Dynasty is still very limited, and he should look at the world, and now many countries in the world are changing their laws, and even our England is only through the Glorious Revolution that the country has become rich and strong, so that he can drive the ship to the distant and mysterious Eastern Great Cloud Dynasty."

Wang Fangyi continued to retort: "But the Great Cloud Dynasty is different from other countries, we have lived under the rule of the emperor for thousands of years, and with the continuous development and improvement of the imperial court system, everything is getting better, and the country **, how can it be said that change will change?" ”

Speaking of this, his voice suddenly became louder, "As far as you just said about a constitutional monarchy, setting up a parliament, opening a parliament, and making a constitution, if you want the people to take power, isn't it to seize the power of the emperor?" That's a rebel and a thief. ”

"As the saying goes: 'Under the whole world, it is not the king's land, and the shore of the land is not the king's ministers', the emperor is the lord of a country, this is a matter of course, and letting the lower classes share power is to incite the lower classes to rebel, and it is a great rebellion."

"You want to change the bureaucratic system, but if you remove the old and not the new, the old institutions will be demolished, but there will be no new departments to accommodate idle people, where will a large number of old bureaucrats go?"

"You propose to abolish the imperial examination, if this is the case, hundreds of doctors, thousands of scholars, tens of thousands of scholars, hundreds of thousands of talents, how much effort they have spent, will be wasted. What else do you talk about glorifying your ancestors and serving the country? ”

These words were righteous words, and everyone at the scene seemed to be infected by Wang Fangyi's words, and began to applaud loudly!

"Wang Gongzi really deserves to be a person, he has seen it so thoroughly!"

"Wang Gongzi is known as a little poet immortal, and his talent is not covered!"

Many academy people gave him a thumbs up and praised him.

Although Lin Xishui hated this shameless Wang Fangyi very much, it was undeniable that he said it beautifully, to the point.

In fact, he also accepts what Jack said, but the change cannot be one-size-fits-all, it must be done step by step, and the frog must be boiled in warm water, otherwise it will definitely cause turmoil.

Jack was not refuted by Wang Fangyi's words, "The emperor ** is not a matter of course, there was no emperor in human society at the beginning, the emperor is a person elected by people to protect everyone's interests, if the emperor does not perform his duties, people can also abolish him." Weakening the emperor's power is an inevitable trend of historical development. ”

"Let's talk about the imperial examination system, only a single talent is cultivated, and the future development of the world needs a variety of talents, in our England, there are many new inventions and creations every day, only read the four books and five classics, a country will not develop at all."

"Therefore, today's change, the most urgent need is talent, there are many ways to obtain talent, but we must first abolish the imperial examination, learn from our England, establish a new school, translate our country's doctrine, and send foreign students to improve the people's knowledge literacy, and the Great Cloud Dynasty will have hope to become rich and strong."

If Wang Fangyi's words just now just made Lin Xishui feel good, then Jack's words made him feel shocked.

I didn't expect this foreigner to see the historical development so clearly, if the Dayun Dynasty can really reform according to the method he said, take the train of the industrial revolution, and enter a modern country from then on, it will be awesome.

When the time comes, you can punch the Nanshan Tiger, kick the North Sea Dragon, and you can even take a big boat to the Wa Kingdom and give them the brand of the sick man of East Asia, is this considered to win glory for the country?