Facing Zhao Dongyun's gaze, Fang Biyong did not speak immediately, but pondered for a while before speaking: "The General Staff Department has also studied many examples of our army before, and it is a fact that our army lacks logistics and transportation forces below the division level. However, according to the reports of the Operations Department and the Strategy Department, it also shows that although the logistics strength of our army's division-level units is relatively lacking, the logistics and transportation strength of the army-level troops and the quartermaster department is still relatively sufficient. Therefore, from an overall point of view, our army's combat effectiveness has not formed too many shortcomings because of the lack of logistical capabilities of the actual troops. ”

When Fang Biyong said this, Cao Kun looked at Fang Biyong with a dissatisfied gaze, and secretly said in his heart: These people in the headquarters don't know the difficulties of the front-line troops, they only know that the front-line troops continue to win, but they never care how much the front-line troops have paid for victory!

And the general of the field troops present today was only Cao Kun, so he immediately spoke: "Even though the army-level and quartermaster departments can provide a certain amount of logistics and transportation forces for the front-line troops, there are still many inconveniences in the middle, and the situation of the Ninth Division in the battle of crossing the river is enough to show that when the 17th Brigade under the Ninth Division urgently needs transportation forces, it needs to be reported layer by layer, and finally it can obtain reinforcements from the military headquarters of the Fourth Army." And this had a rather severe impact on the operations of the 17th Brigade at that time! ”

After speaking, Cao Kun did not stop his speech, but paused slightly and continued: "No matter how strong the logistics force in the military department or the quartermaster department is, the troops below the division level still need their own logistics force, which is like a person, if he has no hands and feet, even if others can provide him with some help, but no matter how he is, he is not as good as his own hands and feet!" ”

Cao ended his speech with a cruelty-sounding example.

After his words fell, Fang Biyong's face on the side was also a little unpleasant, and he immediately said: "Even if the cost of expanding the logistics strength of the three main divisions is enough for us to train another main force like the 14th and 15th divisions!" ”

Fang Biyong's words were more realistic, that is, the funds required to expand the existing troops were enough for the Feng army to have an additional main division of tens of thousands of people.

However, Cao Kun snorted coldly: "Although I am the commander of the 15th Division, I don't think that a unit like the 15th Division can hold up the sky of our Fengjun!" ”

The implication is that the newly formed 15th Division, a new unit, has limited combat effectiveness, and its importance cannot be compared with that of the 3rd, 9th, and 10th Divisions!

As the commander of the 15th Division, Cao Kun should not belittle his own troops according to normal circumstances, but he is the commander of the 15th Division, and he represents the entire Fengjun field troops.

Moreover, the self-depreciation of the 15th Division will not cause any practical negative impact, and even the current self-depreciation will be beneficial to the subsequent development of the 15th Division.

Why? Because as long as the three divisions, the 3rd Division, the 9th Division, and the 10th Division, take the lead in becoming the ideal establishment in the establishment department, then the Feng Army will reorganize other troops in the foreseeable future, and what will be the next wave of reorganized troops?

It is nothing more than the 1st Division led by Lu Yongxiang in the past and now Li Chun as the division commander, the 14th Division under Yang Deming, and the 4th Mixed Brigade, which is also fighting on the front line, may also become the second batch of reorganized troops.

In addition, it is the 15th Division, although the 15th Division has not yet fully formed an army, but people in the Feng Army know that the 15th Division, like the 14th Division, is the future main force built by the Feng Army, and Zhao Dongyun and other high-level military and political leaders of the Soviet Department have all become the fourth and fifth main forces of the Feng Army in the past.

In particular, the 14th Division's excellent performance in the Jinling Campaign deepened the confidence of the Soviet military and political leaders in building a new main division.

Under such circumstances, there is a great possibility that the 15th Division will become the second batch of units to be expanded in the future.

As the commander of the 15th Division, the 15th Division was strong and won the battle, so that Cao Kun's status in the Soviet Feng Army could rise.

Cao Kun and Fang Biyong's-for-tat confrontation made Zhao Dongyun frown, although the time for the Fengjun army to become an army is not long, even if it is counted from 1901, it has only been seven years, if it is said that since Zhao Dongyun took control of Fengtian in 1905 and prepared for the establishment of the Fengtian Standing Army, the Soviet system began to take shape, and it has only been three years.

However, in just a few years, many mountain factions have been formed within the Soviet Feng army.

Not to mention the well-known factions of the old armed forces, the faction of overseas students, and the faction of advanced students, the contradiction between the generals of the field troops and the officers of the headquarters in the current Fengjun is actually very large.

There are many reasons for this, the most important of which is that there is a clear difference between field officers in the Feng army and civilian officers in the high command.

In the Feng army, many commanders of the General Headquarters and the directors of various departments, except for the personnel in the extremely special organization of the War Department, the vast majority of the officers and generals of other institutions are people who have never fought in battle, such as Fang Biyong, Zhao Dongping, and Hong Putao, in essence, they are more like civilian officials than officials.

Although it is said that many field officers in the Feng Army also have served in field units, most of them are at the rank of school officers, and as for the group of generals, there are still relatively few, and the two former and former chiefs of the combat department are only field officers.

However, although the Operations Department nominally belongs to the General Staff Department of the General Headquarters, in fact the organization is rarely responsible to Fang Biyong, the chief of the General Staff, and it is usually Shi Yanglin of the Operations Department who reports directly to Zhao Dongyun.

And there have been rumors recently that the War Department is very likely to be upgraded to the War Department and directly responsible for Zhao Dongyun, but now it is just a rumor, and there is no actual content for the time being.

The Operations Department and the Navy Department seem to be of a lower level in the two commands, but one is responsible for the operational command affairs of the Army and the other is responsible for the operational command affairs of the Navy.

Most of the generals and leading officers of many departments of the General Headquarters are civilian officers, while the officers of Cao Kun and other field units are all field officers who have really fought with live ammunition, so these two groups have formed a relatively obvious contradiction, and their nature is somewhat similar to the contradiction between the civilian clique and the military clique.

At this time, Hong Putao, the chief of the quartermaster department on the side, spoke: "The statements of General Chief Fang and General Cao are reasonable!" ”

From Hong Putao's title of Fang Biyong and Cao Kun, we can feel the obvious difference between civilian officers and field officers, Fang Biyong and Cao Kun both have the rank of lieutenant general, but Hong Putao calls Fang Biyong mainly based on his position, and Cao Kun is called a general with the obvious nature of a field officer.

"As we all know, our army's military expenditure is limited, and we need a larger number of troops to fight in the south, but the combat effectiveness of the main forces on the front line is also urgently needed. I have an immature idea about this, that is, there are many various transport regiments under our quartermaster department, and some of them are also widely involved in front-line transportation tasks, so can this part of the transport regiment be directly transferred to the division-level troops, so that there is no need to add too many new baggage personnel, without causing more pressure on military spending, and can improve the logistics and transportation capacity of the main force! ”

For Hong Putao's words, Zhao Dongyun held a look of approval, while others were arguing about whether to increase logistics personnel, Hong Putao was able to come up with a feasible solution, and it was also a mention of the transportation troops under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Munitions to supplement the field troops, which in the eyes of many people, this is Hong Putao's own weakening of the power in his hands.

Hong Putao also saw Zhao Dongyun's approving gaze, and he knew that his move was right, and he transferred tens of thousands of transport regiments to supplement the field troops, even though it would weaken the power of the quartermaster department, but if this move could win Zhao Dongyun's praise and even favor, then this qiē would be worth it.

Hong Putao knows very well that although he also has the epaulettes of the lieutenant general on his shoulders, he is a civilian general who has never led troops to fight in his life, and in this era, civilian generals are definitely not as dazzling as those field generals, and the generals that Zhao Dongyun admires the most can be said to be all generals of the field army, such as Gu Lanyu and Li Chun, their futures are unlimited, but Hong Putao and Zhao Dongping are them, it is estimated that a general commander in this life will come to an end, And the influence in the military is far from being comparable to Meng Enyuan and Xu Bangjie, if you want to reach the top of the 'general or even a marshal' in the future, then you have to show more eye-catching behavior than now, so that Zhao Dongyun can appreciate himself.

"General Hong's proposal is good, on the one hand, it solves the shortage of logistics strength of division-level troops, but it will not cause too much pressure on the growth of our army's military spending!" Zhao Dongping also spoke appropriately, for him, as long as it is a proposal that does not cost money, he will support it.

As the financial steward of Fengjun, he cares more about every military expenditure than the rest of Fengjun.

Zhao Dongyun finally spoke at this time: "You guys, what are your opinions?" ”