Looking at Xiao Yungui's distressed expression, Hong Yun'er smiled and said, "I have sorted out some ideas in Wuxi these days, and I will discuss with you to see which one is more suitable." My idea is that after the occupation of southern Jiangsu, we cannot practice the utopian egalitarianism of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom. I think that after the pacification of southern Jiangsu, those rich businessmen and landlords will be treated differently, not to mention corrupt officials and corrupt officials, and those rich businessmen and landlords who collude with the government, oppress the people, and have the blood debts of the people, we will resolutely suppress and confiscate their property and land, plus many rich businessmen and landlords fled before the war, there will definitely be a lot of borderless land in southern Jiangsu, and we should nationalize all the ownerless land, and declare to later generations that they can be leased to landless peasants for farming, which is the first type of people's way of dealing with it. ”

Xiao Yungui nodded and said: "The kind of people you are talking about should be corrupt officials and local tyrants and gentry who are full of evil, they are all very angry with the people, and they will be executed directly in front of the people, and the people will definitely support them." ”

Hong Yun'er continued: "The second type of people are those who have no sins, and they have not oppressed the people, but have been oppressed by the government, we should keep and protect their private property, through the envelopment of these people, so that they will not fall to the Manchus, and at the same time eliminate the harsh taxes left by the Manchus, so that these landlords and rich households take the initiative to reduce rents and interest." ”

Xiao Yungui frowned and said, "Haven't officials and businessmen colluded together since ancient times? Will the government still make it difficult for the rich people? ”

Hong Yun'er smiled and said: "In fact, now under the rule of the Manchu Dynasty, many landlords and wealthy households are also the targets of government oppression, have you forgotten the matter of Wei Changhui, the king of the north?" He was born as a landlord and pawnbroker, and was a typical wealthy family. However, due to the fact that the Wei people have few people and no fame, they are rich and powerful, and they are constantly oppressed by powerful landlords and blackmailed by the government. Wei Changhui's father, Wei Yuanjie, felt that his family was a famous talent. is rich and often bullied, and wants to cultivate Wei Changhui to study, gain fame, and breathe a sigh of relief for the Wei family. When Wei Changhui grew up, he took the exam in Guiping County, and his name fell to Sun Shan. Wei Changhui's failure in the field made him complain, and in addition to scolding the government, Wei Changhui had no choice but to spend money to donate a national son to his father, and hang a plaque of Chengjun Jinshi in front of his house. In order to show off the township. Later, the township denounced that the landlord Lan Rujian colluded with the county to shovel the word "Chengjun" in the dark night. The next day, Wang Ji was arrested on the charge of impersonating a jinshi and escorted Wei Yuanjie to the Qinwei League Bureau. As a result, he was extorted a fine of several hundred taels of silver, and it was settled. In the kingdom of heaven. and Hu Yihuang and others are rich landlords who joined us because they were oppressed by the government. This shows that there are many rich landlords and wealthy households like Beiwang and Hu Yihuang who are bullied by the government, and these people should not be the target of our suppression, but the object of wooing. And many times, under the layers of exploitation by the government, these landlords and rich households have no choice but to turn back and put the taxes imposed by the government on the heads of the people. There will be no layer upon layer of exploitation, and it is possible to let the landlords and wealthy households reduce rents and interest rates. ”

Xiao Yungui touched his chin and said, "Why does this rent reduction and interest reduction sound so familiar?" ”

Hong Yun'er said with a smile: "I also copied the experience of the red base areas in later generations, when the party allowed landlords to lease land in areas where land reform had not been implemented. However, in principle, it is necessary to reduce the original rent by 25% according to the pre-war amount; If the debtor's interest payment has exceeded one time of the original, the principal and principal repayment shall be suspended, and if the interest payment has exceeded two times the original amount, the principal and interest payment shall be suspended, and the original loan relationship shall be deemed to be extinguished. The advantage of this approach is that it is softer than the policy of confiscating the landlords' land; through the reduction of rents and interest rates, the livelihood of the poor peasants can be improved, and the private property of land has not been fundamentally eliminated, and the peasants are happy, and the landlords and rich households can also accept it. ”

Xiao Yungui frowned and said: "But there will be great resistance to doing this, if it is me, I will definitely pursue the highest rent, I will use self-cultivation, selling, dividing and other means to turn the land into zero, so that farmers have no land to rent and plant, or increase the rent, to achieve the purpose of reducing the interest in the light and in the dark, and for the interest reduction, I will stop lending to deal with it." That's how those lands are mainly dealing with them, and it's going to be tricky. ”

Hong Yun'er gave a thumbs up and said: "You are worthy of being the son of an upstart, you used to be a capitalist for a few days, and you really had a bad stomach, and you found the loophole so quickly." Historically, both the Kuomintang and the Communist Party have adopted the policy of reducing rents and interest rates, but the red base areas have been successful, while the state-occupied areas have had little effect, because as you said, many landlords still put their own interests first and have come up with various ways to deal with them. The main reason for the success of the red base areas is that the red base areas have always paid attention to the building of basic political power in the villages, and there are working groups and armed engineering teams in every township and village. I think that since we want to develop southern Jiangsu, we must not only develop the cities, but also develop the countryside, and establish local political power, and in the countryside we must also have a militia contingent to be formed, supplemented by the township official system that was later implemented by our Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, and I think these problems can be solved. ”

Speaking of the township official system, Xiao Yungui still knows a little, in the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom's Tianchao Tianmu system, there is a military system to organize the people: where there is an army, every 13,156 families must first set up a military commander. The commander of the five divisions under the command of the army commander was set up. There are five brigade commanders under the command of division commanders, with a total of 25 brigade commanders. There are five commanders of the 25th Brigade Commander, a total of 125 commanders. There are 125 commanders and 4 taels of horses for each office, a total of 500 taels of horses. There are 500 and 200 commanders, and there are 5 commanders in each office, for a total of 2,500 commanders. There are 2,500 commanders and four soldiers in each office, a total of 10,000 soldiers. The total number of the first army was 13,156. After the army is established, there are more people, five more families, and another army commander. There are more than 26 families, and another one or two Simas. Add one hundred and five, and set up another chief. There are 526 more families, and there is another brigade commander. Add more than 2,631 and set up a division commander. A total of 13,156 were added, and a commander was appointed. Counting the total of 656 members of the First Army from the commander to the two Simas, and excluding the 656 officials from 13,156, the total number of its commanders and soldiers is 12,500, which is the number of families under the jurisdiction of the First Army.

Therefore, the township official system practiced in various regions by the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom was derived from the provisions of the Heavenly Dynasty's system of land and acres in various regions, in which the two Sima had jurisdiction over 25 families, the commander of the brigade had jurisdiction over 500, the division commander had jurisdiction over 2,500 families, and the military commander had jurisdiction over 12,500 families. Township officials at all levels are appointed by the people of their own townships, they are people loved by the people, and they are local people, and they are well aware of all the conditions in their hometowns. This system is described in the "Collection of Thieves" as follows: the indigenous livelihood, the silk is difficult to hide, the fugitives are coerced, and they are subject to inspection. The thief's cage person, contact the domain, and there is no one who is here. From the curse of the enemy, we can reflect the great effect of the township official system in consolidating the revolutionary power.

However, the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom still used the old method of electing township officials, and did not know how to use the direct election method and the indirect election method, and it was far from being able to compare with the democratic elections of later generations. However, although the method of selecting township officials in the Taitian Kingdom is still the same as that of the ancient township officials, there have been great changes in essence. In ancient China, the target of the township election was the landlord and wealthy class, while the power of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom Gongju township officials was in the hands of the peasant class, and the revolutionary peasants were selected to control the landlord class. The township official system also had the effect of striking at the landlord class.

Because the peasants, who had been trampled on underground by the landlord class in the past, have now turned over and become township officials, the elements of the landlord class have no choice but to bow their heads to them, and this has brought down the prestige of the landlord class. From this point of view, the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom's township official system to a certain extent to ensure the peasants' own rights and interests, and correspondingly hit the landlords, the peasants who got the power of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom support is unimaginable, and for example, after the Tianjing Rebellion, the Qing army mobilized a large army to attack the Taiping Army, and at this time the Taiping Army's internal fighting has just subsided, the strength is seriously insufficient, at this critical moment is 100,000 people in Anhui to participate in the Taiping Army, which repelled the further offensive of the Qing Army, to ensure the later Chen Yucheng, Li Xiucheng operations.

Xiao Yungui frowned and said, "Yun'er, we will implement this system now, is it a little early?" ”

Hong Yuner shook her head and said: "Whether the new system is suitable or not, the key depends on what kind of guidance the government is, Mr. Sun Yat-sen said military politics, discipline government, constitutionalism, I think discipline is the most important, so that the people have a spontaneous sense of democracy in order to promote democracy, and this process will indeed have many difficulties, but there are difficulties but not a reason not to do." I don't want to carry out a complete Western democratization in China, that is not suitable for us, I just want to break the old pattern, completely dismantle the foundation of the rule of the government and the local tyrants and gentry, and let the people realize that they can get greater rights and interests by supporting us. At the same time, we formed our own militia in every village and township, so why could the Manchus call on the landlords and rich households in every village and township to set up regimental training to deal with us, but we could not form our own militia in every village and township to deal with them? I believe that as long as we implement the system of township officials and the system of militia groups in each village in southern Jiangsu, we will be able to turn the whole of southern Jiangsu into a base area where all the people are soldiers. With the guarantee of the system of township officials and militia groups, we will not be afraid of the landlords and rich households playing tricks on the landlords and rich households if the rent and interest rate are reduced, and once it is verified, the law of our heavenly kingdom will not let them go. ”

Xiao Yungui nodded and said, "Even if you think about it thoroughly, is there a third type of person to deal with it?" ”

Hong Yun'er smiled and said: "Of course there is, the third type of way is actually very simple, that is, to vigorously develop industry and commerce, let the landlords transform their own capital, invest in building factories and businesses, and let them become capitalists, so as to give up a large area of arable land and invest in the city to build factories!" (To be continued.) )