"It's not in the world, it can indeed be a lot less right and wrong, but Zhao Gong, outside the world is a peerless region, even if you give them the grassland and outside the border, but there are only deserts and Gobi in the Western Regions, only the vast barrenness, where to go, is it to let them die somewhere?" Sun Chuanting was very serious when he said this, and there were also words that were not spoken, driving people to the place of death, then others will only fight with you here, which is no different from cleaning and killing.

Zhao Jin laughed, he stood up and walked a few steps, and said: "You said that outside the world is a peerless region, do you know that there is fertile land outside the boundary, and there is a wealth that is not inferior to that of China, not to mention other places, do you know that the Wa country across the sea is rich in gold and silver, do you know that in the Western Regions there are thousands of miles of fertile soil plains, the rivers are dense, even better than the Central Plains and Jiangnan, not to mention the vast sea, the Nanyang countries are rich in gold, silver, spices, hardwood and rice, we don't have it, they all have it, so much fertile soil, so much wealth, But it was occupied by some incompetent and weak barbarians, shouldn't it be taken over and used by our Huaxia and sealed for generations of brave warriors who dare to open up? ”

Ji Xiang and Shi Manqiang looked excited when they said this, but Sun Chuanting became more and more cautious, with his temperament, of course, he would not be stirred by these words, but think carefully to see if it was feasible.

Zhao Jin's words sound like a fantasy at first glance, but after thinking about it, it makes a lot of sense, Sun Chuanting has a lot of dealings with Jin merchants, and naturally I heard the businessmen say that if you go north and then go west, there are indeed deserts and Gobi and other unique areas, but in the past, there is really a fertile soil that is not inferior to the Ming Dynasty.

Moreover, the merchants said a lot that the Ming army might not be able to win in the past, but the Mongol cavalry could be powerful there, and with the ability of the new army, it could naturally run rampant.

The occasional expression of the meaning of the merchants made Sun Chuanting a little disgusted, and even a little chilling, although they relied on trade to make a profit, but they also wanted to go directly to rob and plunder, completely occupy, of course, this way can indeed get more wealth, but if you do this, what to do with the dead, what to do with the killing, what to do with diplomatic relations? But I didn't expect Zhao Jin to say the same thing again today, and he said it even more nakedly.

"Unheard of, unheard of, if it goes on like this, wouldn't it be a reckless army, and the people will not be able to make a living, Zhao Gong, be cautious, this is a strategy to destroy the country!" Although Sun Chuanting said solemnly, his tone was weak, as if he didn't believe what he said.

Zhao Jin stopped, stared at Sun Chuanting and said: "I listened to the people around me talk about the chaos, from the Warring States period to the present, the world has always been in great order and chaos, recuperation, the world is peaceful, and then there is a complete chaos and catastrophe, people are almost dead, and then so on and so on, some people say that it is the number of gas, some people say that it is the mandate of heaven, and some people say that they have been in power for a long time, arrogant and lascivious, and have lost the enterprising heart of the year." ”

"Someone said these righteous words to Zhao Gong, the world is lucky." Sun Chuanting said incorrectly.

Zhao Jin waved his hand and said solemnly: "I don't think there are so many mysterious Taos, in the final analysis, it is very simple, there are more people and less land, whenever the chaos passes, there are enough dead people, there are enough fields, and the grain is enough after paying taxes, and after eating and working in peace and contentment, it is naturally an upward prosperous age, but living and working in peace and contentment can feed children, more and more, the fields are divided from generation to generation, and gradually not enough to eat, and you have to pay taxes, you can't feed yourself, there will be chaos, you say that natural disasters over the years, but there were no natural disasters in previous years? It's just that I can endure it at that time, but now I can't bear it and can only starve to death! ”

Sun Chuanting opened his mouth, wanted to speak but didn't say anything, just sat and listened quietly, Sun Dalin, who was standing in front of the door, looked sideways and looked in, and then continued to stand outside the door.

"There are many people and few places, people are panicking, the country is in chaos, the barbarians around see the opportunity and take advantage of the situation, in order to cope with it, the country can only increase the salary and levy soldiers for labor, but the people's livelihood that is already fragile and cannot be supported completely collapses, and then it is a vicious circle, needless to say far, what kind of evil has been created by the increase in food and salary over the years, Brother Sun, can't you see it?"

Sun Chuanting just sighed, the imperial court's additional levy of food and wages, heavy labor, it is really a lack of livelihood for the people, if you want to say who is the henchman of the Ming Dynasty, Jianzhou Jurchen is actually nothing, this additional levy of food and salary is really true, but no matter how harmful it is, there is no way to stop it, because the wind leaks everywhere, the soldiers are used everywhere, and they must be supported by food and salary, knowing that it is poisonous wine, but also to drink it to quench their thirst.

"There are many people and there is little land, so what should we do, can we prevent the people from having children, isn't it a good thing that I have more Chinese people, do we only let the barbarian Tartars have more children, let them kill our people, let them invade our fertile land?"

Zhao Jin said a little excitedly, constantly gesturing, but no one felt ridiculous, everyone listened solemnly, and felt that Zhao Jin was talking about an extremely important event.

"There are more people and less land, then go and grab other people's territory, it's always the Mongols who go south, why can't we go north, always the Jurchen come west, why can't we go east, it's always the Japanese people who cross the sea, why can't we cross the sea, as far as I know, there is fertile soil like Hetao in the north, and there are plains like Baishan and Heishui outside the pass, and the soil can produce oil, and the Wa country also has thousands of hectares of fertile land, and the Western Regions of Nanyang are even more boundless, why can't we use these fields to feed our Chinese people!"

"What Master Jin said, take it seriously" Sun Chuanting muttered a few words, but he didn't know how to answer.

Zhao Jin walked to the coffee table, picked up the tea that had cooled down and drank it all, turned around and said: "Some people say compassion, some people say less killing, if it is not my Chinese people, then they are not people, they are like animals, why bother to talk to them about mercy, people can talk about compassion with tigers and wolves, can talk about compassion with pigs and sheep, tigers and wolves can talk about compassion with people, pigs and sheep can talk about mercy with people, and don't talk about these metaphysical scriptures, I often hear people say that Datong talks about benevolence and righteousness to Mongolia, but has Mongolia talked about Datong?" ”

Hearing this, Sun Chuanting just smiled bitterly, but his face was not helpless, but he wanted to refute, but he opened his mouth to say something, and finally smiled bitterly, he felt that what Zhao Jin said was wrong, and the truth in the world, and the righteousness in the sage book completely deviated, and even had some great rebellious meaning, but after thinking about it, he couldn't refute it, so he could only smile bitterly.

Zhao Jin said excitedly: "In today's world, the weak eat the strong, natural selection, Brother Sun, you have been in the north for a long time, and you don't know much about overseas things, those foreigners and ghosts take big ships, sail thousands of miles to Tianzhu and Nanyang and other places, rely on the strong ships and guns, rely on the ironclad firearms, you can occupy the land as the king, use the indigenous people as slaves, they raid Guangdong, fraudulently occupy Macao, and plot against Taiwan, if it were not for the huge size of China, I am afraid that it would have been reduced to the general appearance of the Nanyang natives. ”

"What is this Taiwan?" In this era, Taiwan is not called this name, but fortunately, Zhao Jin has also done his homework on this, and immediately replied: "It is Yizhou during the Three Kingdoms, and the big island to the east of the Penghu Inspection Division." ”

"I know it here, but the miasma over there is extremely heavy and unsuitable for human habitation," Sun Chuanting muttered two sentences, but the general meaning was already very clear.

Sun Chuanting was completely brought into Zhao Jin's conversation at this time, he stroked his beard lightly, and said in a deep voice: "What Zhao Gong said is reasonable, there are only a few people in the grassland Mongolia, all men, women and children, I'm afraid it is only a million people, how many people are in Jianzhou Jurchen, I'm afraid it will not be more than 300,000, these people are only the population of my Ming Dynasty, but they can come to a big country with a small number of soldiers, become a big trouble, and even enter the Central Plains, those foreign ghosts, I'm afraid it is the same, it is also strange to say, these barbarian Tartars, Why are you unwilling to practice the path of the saint's benevolence, but you only know how to kill and rob, but it is my Chinese people who suffer. ”

Unconsciously, Sun Chuanting's wording has also changed, no longer saying anything about Daming Xuzhou, but using a larger range of "Huaxia".

"Forgiveness and compassion is to talk about it internally, only the people of China can be worthy of this benevolence and compassion, but we can't talk about this and do this externally, only externally, the weak and the strong, natural selection, can let the people of China always talk about this benevolence, righteousness and compassion, so we want to expand, to seize more land, so that our warriors can show their strengths outside the territory, and don't be bound by any rotten Confucian etiquette."

"Pay taxes for my Huaxia, the people who serve as soldiers, my Huaxia should protect them for life, whether in the territory of this continent or in the open sea, if you are wronged, you will be served!"

This is almost a speech, speaking of this, Zhao Jin stopped, smiled to himself, was silent for a while and waved his hand and said: "It's really too much, all I have now is only two provinces of land, but only 100,000 soldiers and horses, and I actually talked about such a big prospect, which made Brother Sun laugh." ”

Sun Chuanting sat there silent, as if thinking about what Zhao Jin had just said, and after a while, he raised his head and said, "What Zhao Gong said is unheard of, but when you think about it, it makes sense. ”

He said very slowly, paused and pondered for a moment, and said with a smile: "If others say this, they will only be crazy in the future, avoid them from afar, and never be with them, but what Zhao Gong said, it is somewhat credible, Zhao Gong and other soldiers and horses, it is not necessarily true to say that it is unprecedented, that Mengyuan Taizu's iron cavalry strong army, swept Liuhe, expedition outside the territory, he can do it, Zhao Gong may not be able to do it." ”

Sun Chuanting said slowly, picked up the tea bowl at hand, and brought it to his mouth but found that the tea bowl lid was not removed, he laughed, but did not drink, directly put down the tea bowl, and said: "The words that Zhao Gong just said, at first glance, I heard the evil spirit, but when I think about it, there is great compassion, if it can really be so, I am fortunate in China, I am fortunate in China, and I am fortunate in China, since ancient times, the civil and military can not be balanced, and only a strong man can not distinguish between civil and military, and the general will enter the phase, and then if the military is strong, the country is in chaos, and the killing is endless, if Wenqiang may be peaceful for some years, After all, it is inevitable that foreign invasions will be avoided, and the end of the collapse of the society, only Zhao Gong's method is the policy of long-term peace and stability. ”