"So, the Heavenly King has really disappeared?" In the living room, Zefa muttered.

In fact, he had largely accepted Nagato's convincing statement, and he couldn't help but wonder if it was because it was incredible.

"If it's not gone, at least something is wrong." Nagato said, "Otherwise, I'm afraid it's hard to have a second reason to explain that the five old stars are willing to be coerced by Dufflamingo." ”

Nagato continued: "The Draco people have been immoral for a long time, and from the conversation just now, I can tell that Mr. Zefa should also not agree with the Draco people, this is a righteous heart. What's more, even from the perspective of force, the Celestial Dragons have now lost their biggest support, so what means do they have to stop the tide of the world? ”

Zefa looked up, and Nagato didn't avoid his gaze.

Zefa stared into Nagato's eyes and said in a deep voice: "Even if there is no Heavenly King, the foundation of the world government is still difficult for anyone to shake. Taking a step back, let's assume that His Majesty Nagato is well prepared, but the more this happens, the more a conflict arises, or even a war breaks out, it is bound to cause great and long-term damage, is that what you would like to see? ”

Nagato knew that today's conversation had finally gotten to the critical part.

Zefa no longer shy away from dangerous topics, but when he spreads it out, his first question is enough to make people feel tricky.

Since Nagato must also admit that the world government as the ruler is the most powerful of all forces, there is no such thing as a quick victory against it, and if the possibility of defeat is not considered, what remains is the result of a long-term stalemate and constant strife. If Nagato didn't think carefully enough to provoke a war at such a cost, then Zefa would naturally only come up with Nagato's reckless or power-hungry evaluation, and would not really agree with it.

In the face of Zefa's questioning, Nagato first expressed his attitude: "War is inevitable, Mr. Zefa, but of course I don't want too much destruction and loss to happen. ”

After saying this, Nagato suddenly asked, "I want to ask Mr. Zefa first, what enemies do you think will be if you overthrow the Celestial Dragons?" ”

Zefa didn't understand what Nagato meant, but he still replied without hesitation: "Of course, it is the world government controlled by the Draconians, the group composed of the Holy Land Mary Joya and more than one hundred and seventy member countries. ”

"So Mr. Zefa thinks that the armaments of all countries and the three armies of the government will be my enemies?"

Zefa vaguely grasped what Nagato wanted to say, but nodded slowly.

"I don't think so." Sure enough, Nagato denied his point of view, and then said, "Take Mr. Zefa as an example of the navy you served, is it true that all the navy supports the Tenryu people?" ”

With Zefa's thoughtful expression, Nagato continued, "I won't say that most of them are against the Tenryu, but I think there should be a group of people in the navy who are suspicious of the Tenryu people like Mr. Zefa, you and the Sengoku Marshal. Of course, I guess the most accurate answer would be ......"

Nagato looked at Zefa and said slowly, "Most of them don't have an attitude towards this issue. ”

After making this point, Nagato began his explanation: "Of course, those who can benefit from the Tenryu people support the Draconians, but this is a minority; Those who are oppressed by the Draconians, or who insist on righteousness like Mr. Zefa, will oppose the Draconians, but they are also in the minority; Most of them have not been in contact with the Draconians, so they have no chance to think about this problem. ”

"It's like that in the Navy, it's like that in other places."

"Of course, based on their current status, they and I can only be enemies in the first place, but what if I can win a few wars first, and then ban the aristocracy within my rule, so that they can see a more equal and just world?"

Zefa was stunned: "You mean ......"

"That's right." Nagato nodded and said, "The relationship between the Tianlong people and the aristocracy is mutual and internal, and the overthrow of the Tianlong people is essentially a denial of the people, and in turn, breaking the aristocratic system must also break the protection of the Tianlong people." ”

Nagato did not have a trace of doubt and wavering under Zefa's gaze: "There are not many people who have been oppressed by the Tenryu people, but there are probably many people who have experienced the injustice of the aristocratic system, and the opportunities of slaves and even commoners are seized and deprived by the nobles almost everywhere. ”

"Mr. Zefa, if there was an opportunity for them to remove this shackle and oppression, would they be willing? If someone were to put the shackles on them again after they were free, would they object? ”

Zefa only felt that Nagato's momentum was constantly rising, because it was he who was standing behind the other party who was always pursuing.

Nagato said: "The Tenryu people and the nobles are a minority, and the ordinary people living on this sea are the majority, and when you choose the latter path for the majority, you will naturally be followed by the majority of people." When the time comes, will those who are noncommittal now be my enemies or the enemies of the Draconians? ”

Although Nagato did not give a positive answer, he had already answered Zefa's question. This is because if even most of the power of the world government is won over, then the strength and weakness of the world will naturally change profoundly, and the hypothetical large-scale destruction and catastrophe will naturally be difficult to occur.

Zefa was silent, and after being speechless for a long time, he turned his gaze back again and said: "His Majesty Nagato's idea is indeed desirable, but what you said, Dorag has already started to do it, but the result you hoped for did not appear, but only let me see that the four seas and the Red Earth Continent have been fighting frequently for more than ten years, and the kingdom has collapsed. ”

"I don't deny that it didn't go well on Dorag's side." Nagato nodded before saying, "But I'm afraid that doesn't mean anything." ”

"Even if it's the right path, you need conditions and timing to succeed," he explains. Before that, although Dorag was a vice admiral, he was only alone after leaving the navy, and his foundation at that time was too weak, let alone any accumulation, so naturally there were thousands of difficulties, and the effect was a little slow. ”

Nagato said confidently and calmly: "Compared to him, I have a thin foundation now. Although it is located in the depths of the New World, others may feel that they are surrounded by strong enemies, but I think that in the face of a group of pirates, there is just no moral obstacle to use their skills, and this radius is enough to become a chassis to compete with the world government. ”

Nagato said: "What's more, although Dorag's revolution is not effective enough, but on the other hand, it may not be more illustrative of the unpopularity of the Tianlong people and the general trend of change - how weak Dorag's power was when he got up, the world government did everything possible to encircle and suppress but not only did not let his revolutionary army disappear, but became bigger and bigger, in this so-called era of pirates, the world's most vicious criminals are not pirates, isn't this enough to explain the problem?" ”

Nagato's successive answers and questions finally left Zefa speechless.

"His Majesty Nagato's remarks really make it impossible for me to refute." Zefa said that he had been persuaded by Nagato, but he then said with a smoky face, "But I'm afraid I'm going to live up to your expectations." ”

Zefa said: "Although I don't know why Your Majesty Nagato thinks so highly of me as an old fellow, I have to get by and get used to it, and I really don't have as much determination and courage as you, please forgive me for not accepting your proposal." ”

"It doesn't matter." Nagato didn't change color because of Zefa's refusal, but said gently, "This kind of thing was decided on the spot without a single meeting, so I definitely don't mean to be unhappy, and Mr. Zefa doesn't need to apologize to me." ”

As Nagamen said, he was not surprised or minded by Zefa's refusal, didn't he also have a story of three visits to the thatched house in his previous life? Regarding a person's path, ambitions, and even the fate of the people around him, if Zefa can easily make a decision, it is easy to make Nagato surprised and unsteady.

Besides, Nagato knew that this conversation was not without gain. Zefa's words just now show that he has agreed with Nagato's point of view in his heart, and the mention of forgiveness shows that Zefa himself feels that Fang Cai's answer is not in line with the justice he has been pursuing all his life, but there are still many factors in reality that make him have to consider it carefully and cannot make a hasty decision.

So this is not a real refusal but more of a prevarication, and what Nagato has to do is to continue to persuade and persuade him, and prove to him with facts that what he said is true.

"Words are simple," said Nagato, "and I very much hope that Mr. Zefa will have time to visit Tokuhae, and I think that the tangible changes will certainly be more convincing than what I have just said." ”

Zefa looked at Nagato who said these words with some surprise, but he only saw a calm and usual expression and confidence behind this look, so he showed a sincere smile and said, "Definitely! ”

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