Is there an ideal that is good for all of humanity and at the same time opposes cannibalism?

Roland's mind suddenly flashed a red flag that was broken but never fell......

"It's time to popularize a wave of new ideas to the Church of the Light, for whom 'monastic socialism' and 'theological communism' will open the door to a new world."

As for whether heaven or hell lies behind this door, it is up to the listeners to explore for themselves, and Roland is happy to play the role of a witness to history.

Thinking like this, a smile appeared on the corner of Roland's lips. When Frank asked him to speak, instead of discussing politics and economics as one might expect, he unexpectedly picked up the topic of religion.

Roland briefly introduced himself, and then ended his brief opening remarks, saying in public that he partially agreed with Patriarch Gregory's view:

"The reform of the empire cannot be separated from the church."

His voice fell, and there was immediately a buzz in the room. People looked at him with astonishment.

The reformists knew that he was a guest invited by Frank, so why didn't they speak for the crown prince and instead sided with the conservatives of the church? Thinking of Roland's background in the Far East rebel group, I have to suspect that this kid is naturally rebellious and will not change his rebellious temperament wherever he goes.

The conservative side was also surprised by Roland's position. There was a fierce debate between the government and the opposition in the Holy City about whether to launch a crusade, and most of the reformers opposed it, so Frank invited Roland to attend the seminar. On the other hand, if conservatives did not openly support the Crusades, at least did not openly oppose them, why did Roland reverse, who should have been hostile to conservatives and the object of criticism? Is Roland not clear-headed, or does he really believe in "helping people but not helping relatives"?

Patriarch Gregory's eyes narrowed slightly, and he looked Roland up and down, as if speculating on the young man's true thoughts. The old man raised his right hand and motioned for the whisperers in the hall to be quiet, and nodded to Roland quietly.

"Young man, please keep talking."

"Dear Dharma, I think there are two kinds of countries in the world, one has a 'state religion', and the state religion belief is the mainstream ideology of the general public, and the moral norms and even laws and regulations show the value orientation of the state religion scriptures, and in this sense, the precepts of the state religion can be regarded as a kind of country peculiar." On the other hand, there is either atheism and religious power is not worth mentioning, or there is a mixture of sects in the country, and there is no dominant sect to dominate the group, and the split faith makes it impossible for any sect to exert significant influence on the power of the state. ”

"It is not difficult to see that the Assan Empire clearly belongs to the first category of states, and it is typical. Acknowledging the great influence of the Holy See on all levels of society, it is inevitable that the reform actions aimed at uniting all levels of society to work together to change the plight of the country will inevitably collide with the church organization, and in order for the reform to succeed, it must first fully consider the question of what role the church plays in the reform. ”

"Well said, so what role do you think the church can play in the Reformation?" Prince Frank asked with interest. In addition to his political status as the crown prince, he also served as the third leader of the church, and of course he knew the great influence of the church on the country, and no social reform could bypass the mountain of the church, so he deeply understood Roland's views.

"Your Highness, under the premise of fully considering the influence of religion, there are only two ways to reform a country - either choose the 'nationalization of religion' and transform the clergy class into propagandists serving the mainstream ideology of the state, or choose the 'religionization of the state', and the clergy will transform into 'armed prophets'. ”

Roland paused for a moment to give the audience some time to think, and then continued: "'Nationalization of religion' simply means walking" The ultimate goal of the 'secularization' path, the abolition of the Church's taxing power, and its inclusion in the administration of government agencies, is to transform the Holy See into a department of government, in charge of public health and the construction of spiritual civilization, with functions overlapping with those of the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Education, and the clergy are more like lifelong civil servants employed by the government than clergy, in fact, the Reformation we have carried out in the Far East is this line, and so far it has been very effective. ”

Frank and Gregory looked at each other, seemingly making eye contact, and it was not ruled out that they were secretly telepathic.

There was silence in the room for about half a minute, Frank looked back to Roland's face, smiled and said: "The situation in the Far East is relatively special, a blank sheet of paper is easy to paint, and it is not difficult to carry out secularization reforms, while the situation in the interior of the empire is different from that in the Far East. ”

The crown prince's choice of words is very particular. First of all, the Far East reform was recognized as indicative, but the suffix "region" was inevitably added to every reference to the Far East, and the "landlock" was emphasized when referring to the empire, implying that the imperial authorities did not recognize the Far East as an independent state, but only temporarily set aside territorial disputes.

"Your Royal Highness Frank, in fact, the Assanian Empire was a 'religious' theocracy at the beginning of its founding, and it still retains this characteristic today, but it is not 'religious' enough. In fact, the world's leading powers in Vares today are all pursuing secularized reforms, and it is difficult to find a successful example of a 'religious nationalization' reform, and if you gentlemen don't mind, I would like to use a fable to illustrate this topic. ”

Frank laughed and gave him an encouraging look: "Everyone has been arguing all morning, and the anger is very strong, you need to soothe your irritable emotions, your story came at the right time." ”

"Since Your Highness is interested, I'll start from the beginning."

Roland cleared his throat and changed to a colorful tone.

"For example, in a world where divine power rules everything, there is no arcane power, there is no psychic power, the only supernatural power in this world is divine power, and everyone in this world is a devout follower of some true god. Unfortunately, however, these pious people accuse those who disagree with their beliefs of being infidels, heretics, and the embodiment of the devil, and in order to preserve the legitimacy of their beliefs, people do not hesitate to kill each other, so that rivers of blood are shed on the earth. ”

"The gods of heaven were saddened by the swords rising on the earth, and decided to intervene to stop humanity from continuing to kill each other in this way, but they did not know where to start."

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